Death penalty for child molesters?

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Ana:
It’s a great thing to hope for … but don’t hold your breath.:rolleyes: These people are monsters. I have only seen one that I have any respect for … he was on Oprah … he willingly had himself castrated, at his own request.
Way to go, guy.:clapping: He is the ONLY child molester I would have at my table. And I would have him at my table.
I really believe castration is the only solution…these men really can’t seen to overcome their sexual desires or change them.
 
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siamesecat:
My mom said the same thing. One major problem is, however, is that a 20 year old who has sex with a 17 yr old could be considered a pedophlie, or someone who stupidly pressured a girl into having sex in hs but ended up being charged with rape, people who aren’t likely to be repeat offenders because it was just a dumb decision could have their lives ruined because of these laws.
Pedophelia is a sexual attrataction to CHILDREN, you are speaking of another crime all together.
 
I don’t know. Between the story about the live molestation and the one hundread and freaking two(!!!) Irish priests, I can’t really hold onto my comfy 21st century American Catholic views. I say hang 'em high.

I wouldn’t call myself a victim of priestly child abuse, but that’s only because I was in college and I knew (or thought I knew) what the priest was up to. I escaped before that (insert impolite term) could get any more friendly with me than he already was trying to be. I wasn’t scarred or anything–I was sure I was just misinterpreting the situation–but in retrospect, I know EXACTLY what he was trying to do. I later moved on and out of that town, and I heard he went back to Ireland. I have to wonder how many others he tried to “put the moves on.”

I’m sorry, but someone who can pledge his life to God and then molest children is a danger to society. At the very least they should be locked away forever.
 
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siamesecat:
My mom said the same thing. One major problem is, however, is that a 20 year old who has sex with a 17 yr old could be considered a pedophlie, or someone who stupidly pressured a girl into having sex in hs but ended up being charged with rape, people who aren’t likely to be repeat offenders because it was just a dumb decision could have their lives ruined because of these laws.
These examples don’t reflect pedophelia … which is limited to an attraction to prepubescent CHILDREN.

But you are right, our justice system is far from perfect. That’s why I teach my children to stay out of the arm of the law COMPLETELY. No wonder the Church teaches the wisdom of avoiding the “proximate occasion of sin.”
 
Please consider.
The reason I asked this question was because I know I am in variance with Church teaching if I advocate the death penalty. But compared to what some of you are espousing the DP is humane.
Castration is not an answer. Predators really don’t need genitalia to do their damage. Instrumentation rape is very common. Besides rape/moestation/ abuse is mostly about power. Not sexual satisfaction.
Amputation? No.
I am trying to think of the most humane way of removing from society permanently anyone who would do this.
 
you ever read “catch me if you can” by Frank Abignale? he was the guy who disguised as a pilot and snuck on plains and stole thousands and thousands of dollars from banks. he was wanted in like 20 different countries. when he was caught, he was living in France. now keep in mind, this guy was like maybe 19 when he was caught and commited most of his crimes between the ages of 15 and 18. he was tried and convicted in a french court and was locked in a cell with no windows, no toylate and no lights. he had a bucket that would be changed every few months and by that time the room was a mess. he recalls someone cleaning his cell maybe twice during (I believe) his one year stay there. oh yeah, he had no clothes on iether. (this part of the story is not in the movie, only in the book) anyway, I think a punnishment similar to this, although maybe plumbing and a lighbulb could be permitted and a Bible. they could sit there and only have the compny of God’s word, the latrean and a mirror to look in thier ever aging and sad sorry face until they either to go hell or purgatory. that’s just my opinion though.
 
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Ana:
I know a solution that would free our prison cells … and prevent them from hurting any more children …

CASTRATE THEM!!
Actually, Ana, this is not a solution. It has been tried. It is not the testosterone in their systems that is causing these sick people to do this. There are other methods of sexually abusing a child. Not only that, but there are women who are sexual predators as well - granted they are fewer in number than men but they exist.

I am all for opening a prison just for these people. They can have only the basics of life - food and shelter. No chance of parole, they must live there the rest of their lives. No internet, maybe select books. Maybe basic tv. But that is it.

Brenda V.
 
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slyboots:
Please consider.
The reason I asked this question was because I know I am in variance with Church teaching if I advocate the death penalty. But compared to what some of you are espousing the DP is humane.
Castration is not an answer. Predators really don’t need genitalia to do their damage. Instrumentation rape is very common. Besides rape/moestation/ abuse is mostly about power. Not sexual satisfaction.
Amputation? No.
I am trying to think of the most humane way of removing from society permanently anyone who would do this.
You are NOT in variance with Catholic teaching if you advocte the Death Penatly. i wish it were true but it is not.

Most of this thread seems to have taken the “lets see if we can me more barbaric than the barbaric men who did this”

Lock em up. throw away the key and let them contemplate for the rest of their lives their meeting with their maker. If during that time they repent and come to know the Lord we should take great joy in that.
 
II reserve the death penalty for such heinous crimes in society and think it should be carried out swiftly. It is and should be allowed in our Catholic Faith. Society has to cleanse itself from pornography and those who have become pornographic! and dangerous!
 
Why are so many people keen to see these people suffer? Why do you want to inflict pain and upset on somebody?

Whilst I am not trying to appear as if I condone paedophillia, but really, does the knowledge that the offenders are living in in humane conditions really help the poor victims?

Why do you want them to live in such appalling conditions? Does no body feel even the slightest bit sorry for these people, who probably have alot of issues? Do you think they really want to be attracted to children?

Just because they have comitted attrocities, we do not have any right to diminish their dignity, we should not sink to their standards.

Prevent them from doing it again, help them if we can, but most importantly we have to nurse the people who fell victim to these attacks, not spend our time ensuring that the paedophiles have as bad a time of life as possible…
 
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slyboots:
Castration is not an answer. Predators really don’t need genitalia to do their damage. Instrumentation rape is very common. Besides rape/moestation/ abuse is mostly about power. Not sexual satisfaction…
I’m glad you posted that… I was just thinking the same thing.

In regards to your intent on posting this question, I do think you are in opposition to the church. (Just what you wanted to hear, right?) 😛

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the Catholic’s church stance on the DP was this:
They only deem it acceptable if no other forms exist of preventing the perpetrator from harming anyone in society again. Example, if we were a primitive tribe in Africa and didn’t have secure prisons to put the criminal in, the death penalty would be acceptable. I’m wording this very awkwardly, but I think I remember reading this somewhere.

In terms of life imprisonment without parole being inhumane, I don’t see it that way. We would provide their basic needs: food, shelter, a toilet, basic health care. I don’t see that as inhumane at all. Many elderly live this way in nursing homes and yet we don’t consider it inhumane. (Well, maybe some do? :rolleyes: )
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Libero:
Why do you want them to live in such appalling conditions? Does no body feel even the slightest bit sorry for these people, who probably have alot of issues? Do you think they really want to be attracted to children?
Sorry Libero, but I can’t feel sorry for them. I have a hard time believing that they lay in bed at night unable to sleep because they feel so horrible about being attracted to children. I just don’t buy it.
 
My thanks to whomever moved this thread.
When I converted to the Church I said I accepted the teaching of the Church.
And I do know that the death penalty is not in keeping with Catholic teaching (as per the catechism) except under the most heinous circumstances.
The problem is, God help me, I still want these people dead so that they can never hurt anyone else.
I guess my penance will be to pray for an understanding of mercy. :gopray:
Thanks to everyone for their (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
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slyboots:
This morning I heard about the members of an internet group which was showing live acts of child abuse and molestation. Several people are presently in custody. I heard that 9 of them were U.S. citizens. Some were British, some Australian, and some Canadian as well.
I am finding it extrememely difficult not to hope for the death penalty for these people. I know that the Church has a humane stance on punishment. A stance with which I usually can agree.
I work in child welfare. These children to whom these horrors are done are damaged beyond belief. And yes, I do believe God in His mercy can help them become whole. I pray everyday for the little ones whose lives have been torn apart for this predators.
But as for the perpetrators of this abuse I feel an immediate and particular feeling. Revulsion. And my training tells me that it is likely most of these predators will never change. They are broken souls. Many so broken that they can scarcely be called humans anymore.
I only wish to know they are tried, judged and executed swiftly. I am not concerned with justice or mercy for them. **I know this is ** **not how I should feel. ** I am praying about my feelings and ask your prayers as well for me and the whole horrible situation.
I thnk all predators should be castrated, not stop all, but make a difference. If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out as it is better to enter heaven with one eye then hell with two.
 
For a pedophile, life in prison is pretty much a death sentence, considering what the other prisoners do to them. Castration won’t really work too well, since as someone else said, it’s more than testosterone that drives these people to do the things they do. The death penalty is to be applied when there are no other sufficient means of protecting society from the individual. Society would be protected if these people spent their lives in prison, with no chance of parole, so DP is not the Christian thing to do here.
 
As someone who was abused, I don’t wish death on anyone. I used to before I turned to God, but now I leave it in God’s hands. I was abused by a family member who actually loved me a lot, but just got very lost. Since turning to God I have fully forgiven him (he died many years ago) and it was a big weight lifted off my shoulders. I don’t dwell on it any more, I don’t feel sorry for myself, I don’t even think about it any more. This is a good thing as it was eating me up. Not all child molesters are evil, they are just lost, and our prayers for help for them are needed. I truly believe child molestation is the work of Satan. He has his foot in the door guiding these people. If these people turn to God and get rid of Satan I believe they can change their ways. I changed my life completely after turning to God. The best way to help them is to lead them to God. This aside I believe if they are caught they should be locked away, and I believe all prisons for all crimes should be like the convict days, with harsh living conditions and hard labour.
 
I have mixed feelings on capital punishment. Though generally (and I know I differ from a lot of Orthodox Christians on it), I’m favourable, though only as part of a major overhaul of the entire justice/penal system.

On one hand, certain crimes deserve death. However, a society informed by Christian charity, doesn’t always deal with people according to the exactitude of what they deserve. So I can understand the hesitancy of those Christians who do not support the death penalty. Also it cannot be said nowdays, unlike times past, that there is no apparatus for dealing with dangerous criminals other than to execute them.

On the other hand, I can’t say I’m a big fan of the modern penal system (in all of the western countries I’m familiar with) - I don’t believe they do much to rehabilitate people, and if anything do quite a bit to brutalize prisoners and make them worse than when they entered. In fact I’m almost tempted to say there is more of a chance of a murderer “finding God” and feeling deeply sorrow over his wicked life, when he knows he’s about to be executed in one week, than he would being locked up for life with society’s other rejects. In such a setting, he is likely to find himself in a situation where he either becomes even more vicious, or will find himself preyed upon by other inmates. I don’t see anything sanctifying or redeeming about subjecting someone to the possibility of being repeatedly raped by social degenerates, because he was not willing to “join a gang” or become a predator himself.

Also, at least here in Canada, we are having a big problem with an increasing lack of respect for authority amongst the young, a disrespect which in large part is due to the fact they perceive no meaningful consequences for committing crimes (even violent ones) against their neighbours, and their neighbours’ property. While I don’t think bringing back hanging (which was the form of capital punishment practiced here, as in the U.K., up until the 1960s) would in itself solve this problem, some kind of major overhaul of the justice system (perhaps including the bringing back of capital punishment) would.

With all of this in mind (certainly given my type of perspective), I don’t think having a system where capital punishment comes into play would necessarily involve all of us having bloodthirsty feelings (and let’s face it - families who are vicitimized by violent crimes will have these understandable feelings, whether you hang the criminal involved or not.)

In summary, for practical reasons I’m in favour of a system (on it’s corrections system side) which would involve fines, corporal (lashings?), and capital forms of punishment. I’m only in favour of jails as holding areas for trial, not as an indefinate punishment in itself.
 
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Ana:
I know a solution that would free our prison cells … and prevent them from hurting any more children …

CASTRATE THEM!!
Never heard of fisting?
 
I too find the subject very upsetting.
Here’s a good website that offers concrete methods of contributing to the eradication of the problem: missingkids.com/
I downloaded some of their info on Safety Guidelines to read to my kids.
 
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