Death penalty for child molesters?

[Ana]

Flopfoot:

Let me clarify.

I don’t think we should give every child molester a second chance.".

Just some? Which ones?

Flopfoot:

Under a good system all those who are released never do it again. And all those who would do it again are never released. Only reason I mention life no parole for repeat offenders is because no system is perfect and there may be a very few who repeat…

Did you say “very few?” According to the Center For Sex Offender Management … www.csom.org , the recidivism rate of child molesters (victims under the age of 13) is 43%.
They did say it is hard to get an accurate number because of so many cases are unreported.

“The low rate of reporting leads to the conclusion that the approximate 265,000 convicted sex offenders represent only ten percent of the actual sex offender population.” (Greenfield,1997)

Flopfoot:

Well, we can’t trust them again. So I guess I’ll give you a number - 2. You’re released once coz we’re sure enough you’ll never do it again. Turns out you’re the one who shows up the imperfection in the system, you do it again after being released. Then no 3rd chance…

This is where you lose me … to let them out that second time … this is putting innocent children in danger … even one child is too many. But unfortunately, in the case of a true pedophile, it is rarely just one. According to the National Institute of Mental Health, the typical child sex offender molests an average of 117 children!

Flopfoot:

Like you say we must err on the side of safety of the innocent. But there has to be some chance for the wrongdoer to rehabilitate.".

But it can NEVER be at risk of an innocent child. Their right to safety, is our responsibility as adults to uphold, it was not given to us (by God) to use as a bargaining chip.

Also, is it fair to risk the children of parents who have thought this out and decided, that the welfare and safety of their children was too precious to take a chance with, on those who have already shown themselves to be CHILD PREDATORS!! Is it fair for others to make that choice about my children?

Flopfoot:

There has to be some forgiveness somewhere, it’s not our place to judge like God judges, you know? You can have a go at ‘doing the Christian thing to do’ but the fact is that our principles are important to make sure we don’t become monsters ourselves …

You don’t think sacrificing innocent children in the name of mercy towards predators, isn’t indicative of a steep moral decline of values?

Flopfoot:

As much as you would like to ignore this fact, child molesters are people too…

I know they are, and honestly I was just really PO’d when I first posted. Although I have come a miraculously long way in my journey towards healing, it is a sensitive subject, one that always hits close to home, and can sometimes be a temptation to all kinds of conflicting emotions…

I did clarify that I would prefer life in prison (no parole), and I will go even further and say that I wouldn’t mind if they were treated well. Just keep them away from the children. Give them a swimming pool, just keep them away from the children. Give them their own carribean island, with an amusement park and a shopping mall. Just keep them away from the children.

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[Ana]

Celeste88:

Thousands! Thre’s probably one on your block. If you started executing pedophiles you’d be killing masses of people left and right. Most of these are men, although there are some women involved too. Some are ordinary citizens, even in law enforcement or clergy! You have to ask yourself why are there so many pedophiles nowadays? Is it because pedophilia has always existed and the internet is just making it easier to prey on children? Or are there actually more pedophiles these days and why?

I thought it was worth quoting this again. Frankly I am surprised no one responded with more discussion to these questions. Why don’t you start a thread? It seems important to have an understanding of the cause in order to better treat the symtpoms.

 

[Ana]

Ray_Scheel:

and hte number of female perps is increasing (conicidentally in parallel with an increase in porn use by females).

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Surprise … surprise …pornography .

 

[michaelmac]

Hi every body, the first known text about sexual abuse of children is from the Catholic church dated 1048 A D ,when the Pope of the time asked some one to look into Clergy abuse , thats the earlist mention of sexual abuse of children i have seen yours michaelmac

 

[Kirane]

Celeste88:

You have to ask yourself why are there so many pedophiles nowadays?

Because the punishment is too lenient. There would be fewer if we had mandatory capital punishment for this type of crime.

 

[michaelmac]

Kirane:

Because the punishment is too lenient. There would be fewer if we had mandatory capital punishment for this type of crime.

there would not be fewer paedophiles , what would happen is children would be murdered after being sexualy abused , and as paedophiles are very maniplative , they would learn for others mistakes , its well known in England because there together they help each other and swap stories , when they are in prison yours michaelmac

 

[Ana]

I have heard that there has been an increase in child sexual abuse, later I will see if I can find any studies to verify it. But off the top of my head, I think if there is an increase, pornography … esp. child porn may play a role, as well as increased communications (internet), and protections under the guise of “free speech” (Nambla).

 

[grotto]

The internet pornography must be stopped! That is the first step in reclaiming civilization. The printed matter can be more easily destroyed. A bunch of ignorant unrealists that occupy the judicial system have been dispensing prison sentences the way you go fishing for sport - “catch and release”! No release ever and I am tired of hearing how the prison population is going to dispense long awaited punishment for these destroyers of children!

 

[blessedstar]

You can bet in any Catholic Church Parish there is a least one paedophile and probably more within that Catholic laity…how do you reconcile that and deal with that?

 

[estesbob]

blessedstar:

You can bet in any Catholic Church Parish there is a least one paedophile and probably more within that Catholic laity…how do you reconcile that and deal with that?

What is it we need to reconcile?

 

[Ana]

estesbob:

What is it we need to reconcile?

I was wondering the same thing!!

 

[wabrams]

Ana:

I have heard that there has been an increase in child sexual abuse, later I will see if I can find any studies to verify it. But off the top of my head, I think if there is an increase, pornography … esp. child porn may play a role, as well as increased communications (internet), and protections under the guise of “free speech” (Nambla).

I heard there wasn’t so much an increase in abuse, but an increase in the number of people reporting since it isn’t considered a taboo subject like it once was.

 

[blessedstar]

Sorry perhaps reconcile wasn’t the right word. I mean how do people feel about that.

 

[BryPGuy89]

blessedstar:

You can bet in any Catholic Church Parish there is a least one paedophile and probably more within that Catholic laity…how do you reconcile that and deal with that?

Where do you get you numbrs? Less then 1% of priest charged with sexual abuse in general and even less then half of those are dealing with dedophylia. My numbrs are factual according to the Church and the news. So every parish, hundred of thousands of Churches and some half of 50,000 priests, and some of the 102,000,000 American Catholics, there has to be some pediphile within each parish why exactly? It is definiately not as common as you think.

 

[blessedstar]

You cannot know that there are no paedophiles in your Parish, but the odds are that at some point or another there will be a paedophile in parishes especially as they see churches as a way to befriend kids.

Why do you seem to think churches are devoid of such people? Personally I think such people would purposely go to churches.

 

[michaelmac]

BryPGuy89:

Where do you get you numbrs? Less then 1% of priest charged with sexual abuse in general and even less then half of those are dealing with dedophylia. My numbrs are factual according to the Church and the news. So every parish, hundred of thousands of Churches and some half of 50,000 priests, and some of the 102,000,000 American Catholics, there has to be some pediphile within each parish why exactly? It is definiately not as common as you think.

im not sure about America , but in Ireland the Church did not include different orders of brothers or monks who abused,there were 18 different orders , the Vatican sent a team to Brazil to find out how many priests where abusing there and the answer is 1700 this includes violence against women and children yours michaelmac

 

[BryPGuy89]

blessedstar:

you cannot know that there are no paedophiles in your Parish just as you cannot know there are none, but the odds are that at some point or another there will be a paedophile in parishes especially as they see churches as a way to befriend kids.

My basic point of thought is that pedophylia is not common or very wide spread compared to other things and disorders of similar nature. I wont deny that there is no way of knowing, but he chances are very slim to none, especially in every parish, that is rediculous.

 

[BryPGuy89]

michaelmac:

im not sure about America , but in Ireland the Church did not include different orders of brothers or monks who abused,there were 18 different orders , the Vatican sent a team to Brazil to find out how many priests where abusing there and the answer is 1700 this includes violence against women and children yours michaelmac

My overall statement was about pedophylia in America, I honestly can’t speak on behalf of anywhere else. Also I was focussed on the pedaphile abuse cases (name removed by moderator)erticular, it is expected for there to be others in larger numbers, man is faulty. How many clergy members do they have in Brazil that would make te numbers seem more or less significant? Were all 1700 of different people?

 

[michaelmac]

BryPGuy89:

My overall statement was about pedophylia in America, I honestly can’t speak on behalf of anywhere else. Also I was focussed on the pedaphile abuse cases (name removed by moderator)erticular, it is expected for there to be others in larger numbers, man is faulty. How many clergy members do they have in Brazil that would make te numbers seem more or less significant? Were all 1700 of different people?

The 1700 are priests who sexualy abuse you boys , sexualy abuse women ,sexualy abuse older children and violence to women and children , some priests targeted children of one parent familys , nearly all the children were from poor familys that were very uneducated yours michaelmac

 

[michaelmac]

Hi all if sexual abuse of children is rare why does California have over 80,000 sex offenders on its register yours michaelmac