Death Penalty poll

[mlchance]

betra2000:

And I still have not seen or read anything otherwise including CCC 2267!!

Maybe some emphasis added can help you see what is plainly visible:

**2267 **Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[spacecadet]

Trelow:

nah, I was talking about Jesus giving Peter the keys to bind and lose.
Church says it’ ok sometimes. That should be good enough for any Catholic. If it’s not, well then perhaps one should refrain form communion until they can subject their will to that of Christ’s bridegroom.

wow, some big assumptions from someone that knows nothing about me. do you always go aound assuming people don’t believe in the church without asking. for your info i can read and i understand that the catechism allows for the death penatly sometimes. the question you are NOT asking is whether or not the way America handles the death penalty is in line with scriputre and the church. when you find it in yourself to ask that question you will discover it is not. For example the bible would never allow for the death penatly if there was only one witness. and why is it that we allow the death penalty for murder but don’t for the other crimes that the death penatly was used for in the bible like adultry, the bible never gave the death penalty for a conviction that was beyond a reasonable doubt. …etc…

 

[Flopfoot]

Well, the original question seemed to be about whether the death penalty (in itself) was right or wrong (which can be answered by 2267). But if you want to discuss whether the way America does the death penalty is right or wrong, then thats a different question altogether (maybe should go in a different thread?) I’m not an American and don’t know how the death penalty works over there (we don’t have death penalty in Australia), so I wouldn’t really be able to comment on that.

 

[spacecadet]

Flopfoot:

Well, the original question seemed to be about whether the death penalty (in itself) was right or wrong (which can be answered by 2267). But if you want to discuss whether the way America does the death penalty is right or wrong, then thats a different question altogether (maybe should go in a different thread?) I’m not an American and don’t know how the death penalty works over there (we don’t have death penalty in Australia), so I wouldn’t really be able to comment on that.

thanks for the reminder that it is not all about America We Americans can be so quick to forget that. However the OP did reference a state election which that would apply and I was also responding to a very rash response to my first post God Bless

 

[Trelow]

spacecadet:

the question you are NOT asking is whether or not the way America handles the death penalty is in line with scriputre and the church…

I don’t think we handle it correctly. I’ve made that clear in other threads. In my own special way I can tick off both sides.

 

[betra2000]

mlchance:

Maybe some emphasis added can help you see what is plainly visible:

**2267 **Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

– Mark L. Chance.

“if this is the ONLY possible way to effectively defending human lives against the unjust agressor” Right? And life in prison without the possibility of parol is an effective way of “defending human lives against the unjust agressor.” This no way states that capital punishement is right. It just states that if there is no other way and today, there are other ways!

 

[Flopfoot]

What about in a country which doesn’t have a good prison system (perhaps due to lack of resources)?

 

[mlchance]

Flopfoot:

What about in a country which doesn’t have a good prison system (perhaps due to lack of resources)?

Or those very real cases where even after incarceration the criminal remains a danger to others, whether within the prison due to his own actions or outside the prison due to contacts?

These questions are as interesting as this one: Why would anyone think the Church would hesitate to condemn capital punishment entirely if were gravely evil?

– Mark L. Chance.

 

[Trelow]

“if this is the ONLY possible way to effectively defending human lives against the unjust agressor” Right? And life in prison without the possibility of parol is an effective way of “defending human lives against the unjust agressor.” This no way states that capital punishement is right. It just states that if there is no other way and today, there are other ways!

There are human lives within the prison system, yes? And some people are even too dangerous to be placed in solitary. They still come in contact with guards, doctors, layers, and ministers.

 

[AmyS]

Great point MLChance, and Trelow… That does happen… It has happend in the county I live in more than once. Also, one of the guys on death row here excaped from prison and murderd a whole family… And, they do have their contacts outside that they give their orders to.

 

[Anglican77]

abcdefg:

criminals who show the lack of nature of general creatures deserve death penalty. a good example is abortionists. they all should go to the gallows

If that is the case we would all be put to death as I am sure at one time in our lives we have all committed sins that lacked good human nature.

 

[Bella3502]

mlchance:

It’s simply cheaper to keep an inmate in prison for life.
– Mark L. Chance.

I once sat on a murder trial for 4.5 months. At the end, I had no problem deciding on the death penalty. The guy had gone on a murder spree and ended the lives of 6 people including his step sister. I slept very well that night after it was all over.