Death Penalty = Pro choice

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Speedypizza said:
If a person supports the death penalty and an innocent person is put to death, that blood is on your hands. You can blame the courts and others all you want to, but at the end of the day, an innocent person is still dead and you were still a part of it. All I can say is at the end of my life I am glad I do not have to answer to God for that blood.

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So then the blood is on your hands if you don’t put someone to death and they kill another inmate or a guard or something.

No, it’s not on my hands if an innocent man is put to death, and it’s not your fault in the situation I’ve described.
 
Rascalking said:
So then the blood is on your hands if you don’t put someone to death and they kill another inmate or a guard or something.

No, it’s not on my hands if an innocent man is put to death, and it’s not your fault in the situation I’ve described.
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I guess you cant grasp the idea of NOT killing someone even if they are a murderer. 🤷
 
Rascalking said:
There is a huge difference between Jesus and a murderer on death row. If you solid, incontrovertible proof of guilt, then I have zero problem with executing them.

And most people who are executed have ample time to repent.
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So putting anyone to death because they did something wrong, seems acceptable ?
At what level you agree with death penalty? If the crime was murder? What about forgiveness, love, non violence and non judgments? You mean that a person who is guilty doesn’t deserve to live.
 
Rascalking said:
So then the blood is on your hands if you don’t put someone to death and they kill another inmate or a guard or something.

No, it’s not on my hands if an innocent man is put to death, and it’s not your fault in the situation I’ve described.
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Then please tell me good sir on the hands of who that blood will rest? If you think God is just going to let it slide, you have another thing coming.

As far as the blood being on my hands, your argument has a major flaw in it. You ARE saying that it is okay for this person to be put to death, I am not saying it is okay for this prisoner to kill another inmate or a guard. You are hiring people who will kill this person, you are telling them it is okay to kill this innocent man. I am not hiring the inmate to kill a guard or another inmate. I am saying we need to do everything we can to STOP him from killing anybody. If despite that he still manages to kill another human, that is on him, not me or anybody else. However I do think the prison system needs a lot of work for the safety of other inmates and guards.

Under your system I would have to kill EVERYBODY in order to stop them from maybe killing somebody. After all, just because I have never killed before does not mean I will never do so in the future.

Pax :signofcross:
 
There should be no death penalty for crimes. It shuts off the possibility of repentance by the offender. It is also extremely expensive with all the appeals. The lawyers love it because they can milk the system for as many dollars as they can get.

Give a sentence of life without parole- then if it can be proved that the convicted didn’t do it in the ensuing years-let them out with compensation for time served.
 
Flyingg said:
So putting anyone to death because they did something wrong, seems acceptable ?
At what level you agree with death penalty? If the crime was murder? What about forgiveness, love, non violence and non judgments? You mean that a person who is guilty doesn’t deserve to live.
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Your either putting words in my mouth just to get a response from me or you don’t know what I’m trying to say.

Everyone here is preaching “love, non judgment” yet your showing none of it to people who disagree with you. Ironic for those who preach “love and non judgment”.
 
Speedypizza said:
Under your system I would have to kill EVERYBODY in order to stop them from maybe killing somebody. After all, just because I have never killed before does not mean I will never do so in the future.
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In the immortal words of Stone Cold Steve Austin, “What?”

Under my system? Can you read my mind? I was clear-if found guilty of first degree murder, you should get the death penalty. That means that if your found guilty of murder, you should get the chamber. If you don’t kill anyone, you have nothing to worry about it. So the “everybody” argument your saying makes no sense at all.

Also-just because you’ve never killed before doesn’t mean you won’t do it in the future? Remind me to stay away from you. If you lack self control to that point where you think you might murder someone, seek psychological help immediately.
 
rdscheirer said:
There should be no death penalty for crimes. It shuts off the possibility of repentance by the offender. It is also extremely expensive with all the appeals. The lawyers love it because they can milk the system for as many dollars as they can get.

Give a sentence of life without parole- then if it can be proved that the convicted didn’t do it in the ensuing years-let them out with compensation for time served.
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What about the feelings of the victims? What if you walked in and saw your entire family being raped and slaughtered. I think to abolish the death penalty altogether cheapens human life.

You also talk about how expensive it is with all of the appeals. Do you have any idea how much it costs to keep a murderer incarcerated per year?

$47,102 in California PER YEAR paid by the taxpayers. So not only does the murderer kill your family, but then you pay, out of your pocket, for that person to live somewhat comfortably for the rest of their life. That’s more than most people making working a full-time job.

lao.ca.gov/laoapp/laomenus/sections/crim_justice/6_cj_inmatecost.aspx?catid=3

So, if a murderer were to commit a murder at, say, the age of 25 and die of natural causes at the age of 80, that would be 55 years x $47,102 =** $2,590,610**.

If you want to abolish the death penalty, fine. Then we need to enforce all prisoners with labor to pay for their cable tv, workout equipment and all the other amenities they receive.
 
dandingo said:
What about the feelings of the victims? What if you walked in and saw your entire family being raped and slaughtered. I think to abolish the death penalty altogether cheapens human life.

You also talk about how expensive it is with all of the appeals. Do you have any idea how much it costs to keep a murderer incarcerated per year?

$47,102 in California PER YEAR paid by the taxpayers. So not only does the murderer kill your family, but then you pay, out of your pocket, to live somewhat comfortably for the rest of their life. That’s more than most people making working a full-time job.

So, if a murderer were to commit a murder at, say, the age of 25 and die of natural causes at the age of 80, that would be 55 years x $47,102 =** $2,590,610**.

If you want to abolish the death penalty, fine. Then we need to enforce all prisoners with labor to pay for their cable tv, workout equipment and all the other amenities they receive.
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👍

New rule-If you want to preach about the people on death row who commit horrendous crimes, you should spend three days with the families of the victims. In the real, non internet world that is! 😉
 
dorrbell said:
Why is it that people who are in the deep south (Texas) support the death penalty and say they are pro life? :confused:
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That is why I prefer the more accurate term “anti-abortion”. The two issues are not morally equivalent. Some one call people who hold to one and not the other “hypocrites”. Shallow insults ignore the differences between the issues in favor of the one moral principle that they have in common. Rhetoric never solves anything and is only convincing to those already convinced.
 
Speedypizza said:
If a person supports the death penalty and an innocent person is put to death, that blood is on your hands. You can blame the courts and others all you want to, but at the end of the day, an innocent person is still dead and you were still a part of it. All I can say is at the end of my life I am glad I do not have to answer to God for that blood.
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Your “logic” makes God responsible for the deaths of those who were wrongly accused and killed in the Old Testament. I would hate to put God as even remote cooperation with the evil of Ahab and Jezebel.
 
Rascalking said:
Your either putting words in my mouth just to get a response from me or you don’t know what I’m trying to say.

Everyone here is preaching “love, non judgment” yet your showing none of it to people who disagree with you. Ironic for those who preach “love and non judgment”.
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I was asking you dear, not judging you. Where you saw me judging?! Come on!
 
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