Deathbed Baptism - Skip Purgatory?

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In baptism all sins are forgiven (original sin, actual sin and all punishments for sin), and I have heard it said that a person baptized on their deathbed would go straight to heaven. However, I am wondering whether such a person would still need to pass through purgatory because of the attachments to sin which still linger in their heart. I am thinking in terms of venial sins such as pride, lust, or even a lack of complete trust in God - sins that people spend their whole lives trying to let go of. Wouldn’t these need to be purged even after baptism, before a person could be fit for heaven?
 
I watched Father Corapi and he said that someone baptised on their deathbed would go straight to Heaven. Baptism takes away original sin and all personal sins.
 
I heard that from Fr. Corapi too (by the way, that man is my hero - I love his preaching!) …but that is what prompted me to ask the question.
 
Dan S:
In baptism all sins are forgiven (original sin, actual sin and all punishments for sin), and I have heard it said that a person baptized on their deathbed would go straight to heaven.
That is correct:

Baptism effects the remission of all punishments of sin, both the eternal and the temporal (De fide)

The evils remaining after Baptism, such as concupiscence, suffering and death, have for the baptised person no longer the character of punishment, but are means of testing and proving him and of assimilation with Christ.

St. Augustine teaches that the baptised person who dies immediately after Baptism goes direct to Heaven.

(Ott, p. 355)

However:

The justification of an adult is not possible without Faith (De fide)

According to the teaching of the Council of Trent, faith is “the beginning of human salvation, the basis and the root of all justice”.

What is demanded is theological or dogmatic faith (confessional faith) which consists in the firm acceptance of the Divine truths of Revelation, on the authority of God Revealing.

A real Patrisitc proof of the necessity of dogmatic faith for justification is the instruction of the catechumens in the truths of Christian Faith and the making of the confession of faith before the reception of the Sacrament of Baptism.

(Ott, p. 252-253)
Dan S:
However, I am wondering whether such a person would still need to pass through purgatory because of the attachments to sin which still linger in their heart. I am thinking in terms of venial sins such as pride, lust, or even a lack of complete trust in God - sins that people spend their whole lives trying to let go of. Wouldn’t these need to be purged even after baptism, before a person could be fit for heaven?
That very well could be:

In the case of adult recipients moral worthiness is necessary for the worthy or fruitful reception of the Sacraments (De fide)

Moral worthiness in this context consists in the removal of any obstacles to grace. (For Baptism and Confession, obstacles would be lack of faith and unreadiness for penance).

It is presupposed that the recipient of Baptism innerly renounces all sins, including venial sins.

(Ott, p. 346, 355)

hurst
 
Thank you for your responses. I think my problem is in my understanding of Purgatory. I know, for instance, that I am truly sorry for my own sins (in this case, venial sins) and that I desire to grow in holiness and break free from them. However, I see this as an ongoing struggle that may only be completed when the Lord cleanses my heart in purgatory. Isn’t it possible that a person could be baptized on their deathbed (truly repentant and making an honest confession of faith), yet still require that deeper conversion of heart that would rid them of those desires that are not yet submissive to the Lord?

(To further clarify) Might such a person have habitual sins that are not conquered, even though they are baptized with repentance and faith?

[For the record, I am a former Protestant who is currently attending RCIA in order to join the Church]
 
Dan S:
Thank you for your responses. I think my problem is in my understanding of Purgatory. I know, for instance, that I am truly sorry for my own sins (in this case, venial sins) and that I desire to grow in holiness and break free from them. However, I see this as an ongoing struggle that may only be completed when the Lord cleanses my heart in purgatory. Isn’t it possible that a person could be baptized on their deathbed (truly repentant and making an honest confession of faith), yet still require that deeper conversion of heart that would rid them of those desires that are not yet submissive to the Lord?

(To further clarify) Might such a person have habitual sins that are not conquered, even though they are baptized with repentance and faith?

[For the record, I am a former Protestant who is currently attending RCIA in order to join the Church]
I would believe St Augustine and not worry about it.
Frankly if I find myself in Purgatory I’ll still be very happy because it means I’ve saved.
 
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I would believe St Augustine and not worry about it.
Frankly if I find myself in Purgatory I’ll still be very happy because it means I’ve saved.
Sorry about the typo. I meant I’ve been saved!
 
Dan S:
I have heard it said that a person baptized on their deathbed would go straight to heaven.
With respect to all the people who have offered an opinion on this… other than formally Canonized Saints, I don’t believe the Church teaches that any particular set of circumstances will get a person “straight to heaven.”… guidelines, yes (Benedict XII’s Benedictus Deus for instance) but I would hesitate to ever question the will of God and state *with certainty * than ANYONE under ANY circumstance (excluding the afformetioned Saints) does or does not go to heaven.
 
Dan S:
However, I see this as an ongoing struggle that may only be completed when the Lord cleanses my heart in purgatory.
You can obtain cleansing in this life, too. Keep in mind that one of the causes for being in purgatory is the lack of desire to be with God. By all means desire to go directly to heaven, and that itself can serve to shorten your purgatory.
Dan S:
Isn’t it possible that a person could be baptized on their deathbed (truly repentant and making an honest confession of faith), yet still require that deeper conversion of heart that would rid them of those desires that are not yet submissive to the Lord?
(To further clarify) Might such a person have habitual sins that are not conquered, even though they are baptized with repentance and faith?
But if they are “truly repentant”, then they are submissive. And if they are only imperfectly contrite, then the Sacrament makes up for the rest, as long as they offer no resistance to grace.
Dan S:
[For the record, I am a former Protestant who is currently attending RCIA in order to join the Church]
Welcome!

hurst
 
Constantine Ι intentionally waited until the last possible moment to get baptized on his deathbed. He figured as Emperor he would not be able to go through life without the occasional bad deed and he wanted to make sure they were all forgiven.

Of course the promise is that he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.:dancing: The promise is trustworthy no matter when baptism occurs, so trying to get around the system and try to pull some kind of fast one on God is kind of silly.
 
In baptism all sins are forgiven (original sin, actual sin and all punishments for sin), and I have heard it said that a person baptized on their deathbed would go straight to heaven. However, I am wondering whether such a person would still need to pass through purgatory because of the attachments to sin which still linger in their heart. I am thinking in terms of venial sins such as pride, lust, or even a lack of complete trust in God - sins that people spend their whole lives trying to let go of. Wouldn’t these need to be purged even after baptism, before a person could be fit for heaven?
ALL sins and the temporal punishment is wiped away with Baptism. Unless a person sins between the Baptism and their death, they go straight to Heaven.
 
Dear Scott1 -

In your post you state: “I don’t believe the Church teaches that any particular set of circumstances will get a person “straight to heaven.”… guidelines, yes (Benedict XII’s Benedictus Deus for instance) but I would hesitate to ever question the will of God and state with certainty than ANYONE under ANY circumstance (excluding the afformetioned Saints) does or does not go to heaven.”

Ummmmmmm…excuse me but St. Augustine IS part of the Church, and a Doctor at that. And he isn’t the only one who has stated that a person who receives Baptism upon his or her death bed will go STRAIGHT to Heaven. Might do some reading if I were you. You may not like it, but there are folks who sincerely ask to be Baptised at their time of death and are. I can understand a feeling of “hey, wait a minute…they’re getting what I worked for all my life and still have Purgatory to look forward to!! That ain’t fair!” on your part, but who says God has to be fair as regards our understanding?

Peace,

Gail
 
It is true that a deathbed baptism would send one directly to heaven, but that is a very big gamble to take. What if someone decided to put off baptism until he was very old and about to die, only to get hit by a bus and die at age 45?

Ooops!
 
Although a deathbed baptism would presumably allow a person to skip Purgatory, he would be the least in the kingdom of Heaven because he would enter Heaven with no treasure (merit) based on his good works done in the state of grace while he was alive.
 
Although a deathbed baptism would presumably allow a person to skip Purgatory, he would be the least in the kingdom of Heaven because he would enter Heaven with no treasure (merit) based on his good works done in the state of grace while he was alive.
I would rather be the least in Heaven than the best in Hell.
 
Thank you for your responses. I think my problem is in my understanding of Purgatory. I know, for instance, that I am truly sorry for my own sins (in this case, venial sins) and that I desire to grow in holiness and break free from them. However, I see this as an ongoing struggle that may only be completed when the Lord cleanses my heart in purgatory. Isn’t it possible that a person could be baptized on their deathbed (truly repentant and making an honest confession of faith), yet still require that deeper conversion of heart that would rid them of those desires that are not yet submissive to the Lord?

(To further clarify) Might such a person have habitual sins that are not conquered, even though they are baptized with repentance and faith?

[For the record, I am a former Protestant who is currently attending RCIA in order to join the Church]
That’s wonderful, I’ll keep you in prayer.

What’s helpful to me in understanding our “state of grace” is just that, to view it as a “state”, or more precisely, as a “snapshot”. A snapshot that is the reality of your situation, your relationship with God, NOW, at any given “now”. Thus, if one has a truly repentant heart on one’s deathbed, then even if they were a mass murderer in their life, they will go straight to Heaven after being Baptized on the bed, because at that instant moment in time, they were in a state of grace. The “snapshot” at that time, that “now”, portrays a person who is as sin free as any could be.

This may seem strange, or even contradictory to the teaching of Purgatory, however it’s not really so. Purgatory is offered to those who still have an attachment to sin, still have some temporal consequence to sin, but yet are otherwise in a state of grace when they die. These attachments to sin, the temporal consequences that necessitate Purgation come AFTER Baptism, by definition.

It’s all about what state you are in when you die. Once you die, this “state” is frozen for all eternity, and thus, is reflected in the “place” you go to (Hell, Purgatory, or Heaven). In Purgatory, this state is further cleansed through God’s power, however one’s initial “destination”, right after death, is determined by one’s “state” at death.

As an aside, this is why it’s perfectly reasonable to say that God loves everyone, even those in Hell, because He isn’t “torturing” them, He is giving those in Hell what everyone gets when they die, the fire of His Love. For those in Purgatory, this “fire” is effectual, since when they died, their “state” was still open to His Love, and thus, can still be cleansed of their temporal consequences. Those in Hell, however, are eternally frozen in a state of separation from God, thus, the “fires of Hell” can never purify them, as they are eternally separated from God by their own choice. Their own choice that’s an eternal choice, a choice that can never be taken back. Those in Heaven feel His Love and are not “tortured” by it at all, since they are in perfect friendship (perfect grace) with Him.

IOW, it’s the same Love poured out to every soul in the afterlife. The affects this Love has is determined by their state at the instant of death. This is why the Church teaches to live for today, live day to day, for it’s useless to worry about tomorrow. It’s our task to always stay in a state of grace TODAY, and the best way to do this is to live daily for God, and let Him take care of tomorrow. IOW, we have enough to worry about TODAY, this instant! Each instant one lives is reflective of one’s state; in an instant one can fall out of grace in sin, in an instant, one can be back in grace through Confession. In an instant, we can die! It’s this “instantaneous state” that is what we are judged on when we die. We aren’t judged on the totality of our life of sin as if there is some “equation” that adds up all our sin, and adds up all our good deeds, and if we have more good than evil, we go to Heaven. No. We are judged based on our instantaneous relationship with God, and where we are IN that relationship, at the exact moment of our death.

(It’s a common, and true, saying to say, “A Saint isn’t someone who’s perfect, rather someone who may have sinned 100 times, but repented 101 times”. This may seem to be the kind of “equation” I described above, but it isn’t, as it is, to put it in mathematical terms, a binary function. One is either a 0 or a 1, as far as Heaven and Hell are concerned. We constantly battle to be a 1, but sometimes fall back to being a 0. When we fall to 0, we can be a 1 again via Confession, but Purgatory may be necessary if our 1 still has some attachment, some tendancy to sin. The main point to remember is that God doesn’t remember our sins after we confess them, thus there’s no way to “add them up” at our death)

Thus, returning to the deathbed confession (and Baptism), we are here PRE-SUPPOSING that someone has a truly repentant heart, truly despises all the sin they did in their life, THUS, once Baptized, the Power of Baptism REMOVES the temporal consequences to the sins they committed, as well as of course the sins themselves are forgiven. This complete removal occurs in Baptism, PRE-SUPPOSING a complete repentant heart (faith) as another poster pointed out upthread from Trent, thus, this hatred of sin is, IN OF ITSELF, in cooperation with the Baptism, a purgation of the temporal consequences of sin.

Thus, the “state” of such a person is a state of perfect friendship with God (a state of perfect grace). They are as sinless as Adam and Eve were before the fall.

For infant Baptism, this of course only removes Original Sin, since a baby cannot have personal sin. But the effect is the same. If a baby dies shortly after Baptism, he/she goes straight to Heaven, because in that instant, the baby was as sinless as Adam and Eve before the fall.
 
Nothing disordered can enter into heaven. Does Baptism cleanse the soul of all disordered thoughts and the desire to sin? I’m not saying that the soul doesn’t go straight to heaven. But somehow all evil desires and misordered thoughts must be purged. If you think that’s an instantaneous purgation, so be it - that would be acceptable.
 
Although a deathbed baptism would presumably allow a person to skip Purgatory, he would be the least in the kingdom of Heaven because he would enter Heaven with no treasure (merit) based on his good works done in the state of grace while he was alive.
Excellent.
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James
 
It was common practice back in the early days of the Church for people to be baptised on their deathbed. The reason for this is what has already been stated by those who know; the person will go straight to heaven. This has been a teaching of the Church for 2000 years.
 
I wish those who have a hard time with a deathbed Confession of Faith resulting in Baptism bringing a soul straight to Heaven would think about it a bit along these lines: Do they really think that Jesus sits back and smuggly destines the soul about to die with no grace to support the dying man or woman even AFTER the grace of Baptism is poured upon his or her soul to “make up for” the fact he or she will skip Purgatory?

Think about it - Baptism provides enough Grace to wipe away all sins, both original, and personal! Do you not think that this same Grace will not sustain the dying person long enough to the end of his or her earthly pilgrimage? Deathbed Confessions are just that DEATHBED Confessions! The person involved is in the act of dying. It usually doesn’t take long.

God’s Grace is Infinite as is His Ocean of Mercy. He isn’t a snide judge who sits back and contrives ways to make poor sinners suffer even after receiving His Mercy. Only if we think of Him as thinking like us could we attribute such nonsense to His Divine Mercy for it is that - Divine Mercy, not human mercy that saves the soul at the point of death. Just think about it, please. 😦

Peace,

Gail
 
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