Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

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Wow! They’re just ā€œpeaceā€ activists. Like I said before, if they came in peace, none of this would’ve happened. And ain’t nobody would’ve to die. I saw dudes clubbing poor soldiers into pulp. Why do you expect the Israelis to do?
 
Wowwwww mate you are wrong.
Franco was neutral in WW2 - something which angered Hitler who had helped him out in the Civil war!
He was ā€œneutral,ā€ but Spanish sympathies were pro-German. Franco even sent a ā€œBlue Armyā€ to fight against our ally, the Soviet Union.
But the vast, vast majority of Irish Volunteers fought for the UK in WW1.
I can’t see the difference between fighting for the country that has its boot on your neck, and the commission of treason. Maybe you can.
Sinn Fein and what would become the IRA were certainly pro-Germany but they were not the government
Of course not. The ā€œgovernmentā€ were the Brits in the infamous Dublin Castle with their Black and Tans.
the ideas were not popular with the ā€˜Irish’.
Your idea. Every Irishman I knew with family that experienced WWI had no love for the British.
I will say, however, that De Valera was an evil man for seeing Hitler and the UK as being equals.
Not evil at all. That’s how he perceived it. I know the Brits were more than upset when the Irish Government send condolences to the German government when Hitler died.
 
Evidently, Israel has trouble accepting the reality on the ground, just as other governments do. There is not going to be a peace negotiation, but rather a war, and that the war will be terrible and bloody. Israel has lost Turkey as an ally; the United States, for that matter, has lost Turkey as an ally, as the leaders of Ankara compete with the mullahs of Tehran for the leadership of Islamism. A stronger American hand might have made war unnecessary. But the Barack Obama administration has withdrawn from strategic leadership, and when the cat’s away, as I wrote last October, the mice kill each other [5]. The price under the best of outcomes would be traumatic for a state in which the death of a single serviceman is a national tragedy. The country’s leaders still hope against hope that they might find some alternative to war. The Gaza flotilla affair should teach Jerusalem that no matter how gingerly it approaches the threats on its borders, and how gently it responds, it ends up holding the bag for the region’s problems. It might as well get down to the business of war. By Spengler atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LF02Ak03.html
 
I can’t see the difference between fighting for the country that has its boot on your neck, and the commission of treason. Maybe you can.
Voluntary service. There was no conscription in Ireland.
Of course not. The ā€œgovernmentā€ were the Brits in the infamous Dublin Castle with their Black and Tans.
The IPP had the total support of the Irish public. The Irish public were not against WW1 until after 1916 - in anger against British executions of the rebels.
Not evil at all. That’s how he perceived it. I know the Brits were more than upset when the Irish Government send condolences to the German government when Hitler died.
This speaks for itself.
 
I didn’t realize that you lived in one of the ā€œsix counties.ā€ Your pro-British position speaks for itself.

Tiocfaidh Ɣr lƔ!
You better be trolling. You know absolutely nothing about this region, obviously. There’s a reason why it’s ā€˜(North) Ireland’ and not ā€˜Northern Ireland’ under my nationality. I am a citizen of the Irish Republic.
 
But it’s plainly obvious that Hitler was a lot worse than the British :mad:
 
You better be trolling. You know absolutely nothing about this region, obviously. There’s a reason why it’s ā€˜(North) Ireland’ and not ā€˜Northern Ireland’ under my nationality. I am a citizen of the Irish Republic.
I know it from numerous Irish friends, some of whom are immigrants, but, I admit, all from the Republic, all from the south or west.
 
I know it from numerous Irish friends, some of whom are immigrants, but, I admit, all from the Republic, all from the south or west.
My point is that if I was a Paisleyite Unionist I would have put up ā€˜Ulster’ or at the very least ā€˜Northern Ireland’.
 
The whole Ireland thing is a bit off-topic. However, it is plain to me that Irish people were divided about Britain vs Germany both in WWI and in WWII, the former more than the latter. According to my Irish forbears, none of whom had any affection for England whatever, it was thought among many Irish that fighting with the Brits would ultimately lead to independence for Ireland which, indeed, it did (except of course for the north). It was also believed that the Brits would have difficulty, politics aside, keeping the lid on a nation, thousands of whose young men were well-trained war veterans.

WWI was a difficult thing even for Irish in the U.S., but Irish did not resist fighting on the Brit side when the U.S. entered the war. It was, even so, a mixed thing. Nothing, I think, so well summed up the general thinking as a song that was popular among Irish in the U.S. at the time, to the effect that: a. The Irish were fighting for the Belgians, not the Brits, and b. After the War there would be a reckoning with England. And politically, there was.
 
My point is that if I was a Paisleyite Unionist I would have put up ā€˜Ulster’ or at the very least ā€˜Northern Ireland’.
Then my apologies to you. It seemed to me that you might have been one of those fellows who wear bowlers and take part in an annual Drumcree parade. Again, sorry for mistaking you.
 
Perhaps if those peaceful, fun-loving neighbors of Israel would stop bombing cafes, nightclubs and busses, firing rockets into civilian areas…

I’m reminded of a quote attributed to Golda Meir,
Peace will come to the Middle East when the Arabs love their children
more than they hate us.
Just maybe, if some of the billions and billions of dollars in aid that has been sent to the ā€œPalastiniansā€ already had been used to build schools, hospitals, improve infrastructure and care for the poor instead of buying weapons, there would have been no need for such an ā€œaid flotillaā€.
 
Just maybe, if some of the billions and billions of dollars in aid that has been sent to the ā€œPalastiniansā€ already had been used to build schools, hospitals, improve infrastructure and care for the poor instead of buying weapons, there would have been no need for such an ā€œaid flotillaā€.
And is the billions and billions in aid money that has been sent to the ā€œIsraelisā€ not also used to buy weapons? :hmmm:
 
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