Debate standings

[Stylteralmaldo]

Chris Christie, John Kasich and Rick Perry are fighting for the last two spots on the debate stage — and after a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll Sunday morning, Perry is still most in danger of failing to qualify.
The three candidates are all at 3 percent in the new poll. But according to a Campaign Pro analysis of the five most recent live-caller surveys, Christie and Kasich are tied for ninth place, at 3.2 percent. Perry is outside of the top 10, in 11th place, at 2.6 percent.
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The new poll continues to show Donald Trump leading the field. Trump is at 19 percent, followed by Scott Walker at 15 percent. Jeb Bush (14 percent) and Ben Carson (10 percent) are the other two candidates who earn double-digit support.
Walker has nudged in front of Bush in the average of the five most recent polls, putting him in second place behind Trump. In fourth place, both in the new poll and the average, is Ben Carson.

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/08/2016-debate-rick-perry-11th-place-120903.html#ixzz3hg212q34

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Where do you stand as of early August?

 

[Sy_Noe]

I’d vote for any number of them but The Donald is my first choice because recent polling showed even Bernie Sanders would beat him.

 

[DeniseNY]

I’d vote for any number of them but The Donald is my first choice because recent polling showed even Bernie Sanders would beat him.

That’s not the point of this thread, but I think you know that.

 

[Seamus_L]

Rand Paul.

 

[Sy_Noe]

Did FOX finally decide if it’s setting up a smaller table too for people like Rick Santorum and Bobby JIndal and Carly Fiorina? Feel a little bad for those guys and especially for the lone GOP woman who is running out of 17 or whatever the number is up to now. Carly spent all that time following Hillary Clinton around and now can’t even sit with the boys all because of some early national polling. But oh well just seems to me anyway how the GOP has chosen to go about its nominating process this yr is a bit strange. Giving the power to FOX News to dictate by these early national polls who is allowed at the main table and who is not. This early national polling doesn’t mean much yet. Unless Donald Trump really is the likely nominee at this point. Oh do I hope though.

 

[lax16]

Rand Paul. Not a total politician, but enough of one that he knows how to behave in public. Unlike The Donald.

 

[DeniseNY]

Ted Cruz

 

[lax16]

I’d vote for any number of them but The Donald is my first choice because recent polling showed even Bernie Sanders would beat him.

Well, at least Hillary isn’t the shoe in we’ve all been hearing about for the last year!

 

[CatholicHockey7]

I wouldn’t vote for any of them.

I think anyone who actually wants the job is either certifiably crazy and should be locked in a mental institution, or is just a criminal in a nice suit and should be in jail.

Besides, I don’t think any of them are eligible. Don’t you have to be 35+? They way they act, I’m pretty sure the oldest is only 3.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’d vote for any number of them but The Donald is my first choice because recent polling showed even Bernie Sanders would beat him.

Polls also show Hillary Clinton in trouble in every single swing and purple state against numerous GOP candidates.

Think Sanders can win in the electoral vote?

My vote is for Walker. He’ll get the base to turn out, and I think he can win over some Reagan democrats.

 

[SuperLuigi]

I wouldn’t vote for any of them.

I think anyone who actually wants the job is either certifiably crazy and should be locked in a mental institution, or is just a criminal in a nice suit and should be in jail.

Besides, I don’t think any of them are eligible. Don’t you have to be 35+? They way they act, I’m pretty sure the oldest is only 3.

I would strongly advise reconsideration. There are serious issues on the line here, and frankly, I’m just a bit a tired of people in general who don’t vote and then complain.

We all ought to see all these messages and responses as to how “surprised” all of these traditionalists and Catholics are as to what is happening as millions of voters either don’t vote or vote against their values.

What no one seems to be talking about is that whoever is the next president will likely get to pick one or two judges on the Supreme Court.

 

[SuperLuigi]

Did FOX finally decide if it’s setting up a smaller table too for people like Rick Santorum and Bobby JIndal and Carly Fiorina? Feel a little bad for those guys and especially for the lone GOP woman who is running out of 17 or whatever the number is up to now. Carly spent all that time following Hillary Clinton around and now can’t even sit with the boys all because of some early national polling. But oh well just seems to me anyway how the GOP has chosen to go about its nominating process this yr is a bit strange. Giving the power to FOX News to dictate by these early national polls who is allowed at the main table and who is not.

Was the mainstream media even covering Carly? Or are they deathly afraid of giving a GOP minority the spotlight?

PS–which party has a more diverse set of candidates?

This early national polling doesn’t mean much yet. Unless Donald Trump really is the likely nominee at this point. Oh do I hope though.

Why? I thought Clinton 2016 was supposed to be said and done, and that no one should even bother trying. Or is the left now noticing her massive drop in favorably ratings and her troubles in places like PA and MI?

 

[Sy_Noe]

Polls also show Hillary Clinton in trouble in every single swing and purple state against numerous GOP candidates.

Think Sanders can win in the electoral vote?

My vote is for Walker. He’ll get the base to turn out, and I think he can win over some Reagan democrats.

I don’t even think Sanders will end up winning the Democratic nomination. I don’t think Trump will win the Republican one either but I actually have to give him a better chance of doing so if only just based on him being such a frontrunner right now with Republican voters.

I’m not sure either party can win with their far left or “right” bases alone. But now frankly I don’t believe there are really all that many independents anymore either. I know people say they are but I think most vote more or less for one party over the other especially in POTUS races. But I think the Democrats might actually not mind a race between a more moderate Democrat ( Clinton) vs a stridently more Republican, Walker. But I do know stridently Republican candidates are very popular here.

 

[JonNC]

Chris Christie, John Kasich and Rick Perry are fighting for the last two spots on the debate stage — and after a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll Sunday morning, Perry is still most in danger of failing to qualify.
The three candidates are all at 3 percent in the new poll. But according to a Campaign Pro analysis of the five most recent live-caller surveys, Christie and Kasich are tied for ninth place, at 3.2 percent. Perry is outside of the top 10, in 11th place, at 2.6 percent.
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The new poll continues to show Donald Trump leading the field. Trump is at 19 percent, followed by Scott Walker at 15 percent. Jeb Bush (14 percent) and Ben Carson (10 percent) are the other two candidates who earn double-digit support.
Walker has nudged in front of Bush in the average of the five most recent polls, putting him in second place behind Trump. In fourth place, both in the new poll and the average, is Ben Carson.

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/08/2016-debate-rick-perry-11th-place-120903.html#ixzz3hg212q34

I’ve suspected for a while now that Trump is the new Ross Perot. He has supported Hillary financially in the past, and has mentioned favoring single-payer health care. The threat of a third party run is exactly what I expect from him. After all, it worked for Bill.

Jon

 

[CatholicHockey7]

I would strongly advise reconsideration. There are serious issues on the line here, and frankly, I’m just a bit a tired of people in general who don’t vote and then complain.

Where did I say I wouldn’t vote? I said I wouldn’t vote for any of these candidates. I don’t like a single one of them. That doesn’t mean I won’t vote, nor does it mean I will vote for a Democrat or other pro-choice candidate. It means I won’t vote for these Republican candidates. The great thing about California is that I can write-in any name I want. That’s still a vote.

What no one seems to be talking about is that whoever is the next president will likely get to pick one or two judges on the Supreme Court.

This may be true, but I’ve heard the same thing every 4 years. They said it in 2004 (my first year voting), they said it in 2008, they said it in 2012. At some point we need to learn that a SCOTUS appointment is for life unless the justices resign or are impeached and removed by Congress.

GW Bush and Obama both appointed two justices. Both of Bush’s were second-term, and both of Obama’s were first-term. Both Clinton appointees were first-term, and both Reagan appointees were second-term. Bush 41 only appointed one, and it was towards the end of his term. That’s the current breakdown.

 

[Mulligan2]

Chris Christie, John Kasich and Rick Perry are fighting for the last two spots on the debate stage — and after a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll Sunday morning, Perry is still most in danger of failing to qualify.
The three candidates are all at 3 percent in the new poll. But according to a Campaign Pro analysis of the five most recent live-caller surveys, Christie and Kasich are tied for ninth place, at 3.2 percent. Perry is outside of the top 10, in 11th place, at 2.6 percent.
Story Continued Below

The new poll continues to show Donald Trump leading the field. Trump is at 19 percent, followed by Scott Walker at 15 percent. Jeb Bush (14 percent) and Ben Carson (10 percent) are the other two candidates who earn double-digit support.
Walker has nudged in front of Bush in the average of the five most recent polls, putting him in second place behind Trump. In fourth place, both in the new poll and the average, is Ben Carson.

Read more: politico.com/story/2015/08/2016-debate-rick-perry-11th-place-120903.html#ixzz3hg212q34

In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter which of the minor candidates make the stage for this first debate. Nobody who is currently in 8th place through 16th place has any chance whatsoever.

 

[randomuser]

Why isn’t ‘none of the above’ an option?

 

[SuperLuigi]

I’ve suspected for a while now that Trump is the new Ross Perot. He has supported Hillary financially in the past, and has mentioned favoring single-payer health care. The threat of a third party run is exactly what I expect from him. After all, it worked for Bill.

Jon

I can’t support Trump because I think there are better options and he doesn’t match up well in the general election. Clinton is having serious trouble in swing states against many of the other candidates, and the SuperPacs haven’t even launched ads yet.

When Bloomberg was discussed as a candidate, one analyst figured he’d need to spend about $2 billion to win. I suspect a similar deal would be in the cards for Trump if he went 3rd Party.

And from what I’ve seen, people who make it big in the private sector aren’t big on running for president if they REALLY are against cronyism, because the job basically suspends their bottom line and they have to at least think about putting almost a decade of their life on hold. I think this was the dilemma Palin had in 2012.

But Trump isn’t the only problem. Huckabee, Perry, Santorum and possibly even Gilmore are taking votes away from Walker. I think the idea behind their run is to try and seize Iowa or go home, but if Walker doesn’t win Iowa, a conservative at the top of the ticket takes a blow.

It was hard for me to fault Cruz and Carson for being in the race this long, but if they don’t pull ahead of Walker, they may need to reconsider if they really want a conservative in office. Hopefully, they can stay in long enough to court traditionally democratic voters and get their message out.

I think we’ll see more after the first debate, but for now, Trump is a more or less welcome distraction for the left since things have gotten pretty bad for Hilary.

 

[SuperLuigi]

In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter which of the minor candidates make the stage for this first debate. Nobody who is currently in 8th place through 16th place has any chance whatsoever.

I beg to differ, since the Democratic field is so weak.

A lot of people are running are probably on some level thinking vice president…