Debating with protestants who just won't listen

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Hello.

If theyā€™re not listening then thereā€™s no debate. With an actual debate both sides would be open to the other.

Just love them, be kind to them, & pray for them, practice your own faith, and that example will do wonders. And always be ready to give an account of your faith if they ask.

Itā€™s my suspicion that a lot of people think theyā€™re better than others, including their religion or lack of, and this pride keeps them from being open to the Catholic faith. It seems to me to be presented as a kind of contempt. Many times it takes a crisis in life before some of us are open to change.

My two cents. Please take it or leave it.
 
AnnetteJoan said:
I donā€™t understand this, but WHY are they so close-minded and harbor such irrational and frankly ridiculous hatred for the true Church
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But what is someone who was raised in a protestant group, never baptized Catholic, and simply believes as they do because they donā€™t know any better? What category do they fall into? Heretic? Schismatic?
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I think you have answered your own question. I donā€™t think any Protestant would consider those words complimentary.

As for debate:

 
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Iā€™m sure they donā€™t consider terms like ā€œhereticā€ complimentary, but they never have, because the truth hurts. šŸ™‚

 
I donā€™t own a copy of the modern CCC, I do have the Catechism of the Council of Trent, however.
 
NotMyOwn said:
Leave T alone!! Weā€™ll talk later!! Guys!!

This might surprise you, but due to the extraordinary nature of the Protestant separation, and how extraordinarily crappy you allā€™s generations have done with Christian education in doctrine and explanation of those teachings and evidence for them I would argue since the 8th Century at the latestā€¦ he might not actually be in sin here. He might actually not be culpable due to lack of sufficient knowledge.

Your attacking him, if you knew any better, would be a terrible sin!! Listen to me! Iā€™m going to talk with him later. Leave. Him. Alone.

Yā€™all are worse than Protestants sometimes!! Srslyā€¦ Smh
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I would just say

Re: oneā€™s ignorance

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man ā€œtakes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin.ā€ In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

I would add, the amount of solid teaching from the Catholic Church, on the faith, is not only available to EVERYONE on the planet, and is in avalanche proportion, it has never in all of history been so easy today, to access it ALL ā€¦ FREELY. All one has to do is choose to access it.
 
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I want to take a moment to recognize that, yes, responsibility for ignorance can often be placed upon the person, and also to say that, when one knows and experiences the work of God among you, it is hard for many to see the bigger picture, and easy to remain misinformed over Catholicism. I donā€™t know why God doesnā€™t give them all visions. Probably for some complex and good reasons for all of our good.

Just because people technically, if they type the right keywords and click on the right pages in Google can find some good Catholic resourcesā€¦ These often are not sufficient to justify continued searchings and research if they donā€™t catch off guard or donā€™t address issues in ā€˜the right wayā€™ for them to actually understand itā€¦ and alsoā€¦ Often times people donā€™t know the right questions to ask. To find the right answers in this day of the internet, one has to ask the right questions. That doesnā€™t always happen, and oftentimes, not due to sin, persons remain ignorantā€¦ That is why it is our responsibility as Catholics to take the truth to them with the love of Christ burning contagiously within our hearts and knowledge of the truth and practice in joyful Christian brotherhood and evangelization.
 
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NotMyOwn said:
I want to take a moment to recognize that, yes, responsibility for ignorance can often be placed upon the person, and also to say that, when one knows and experiences the work of God among you, it is hard for many to see the bigger picture, and easy to remain misinformed over Catholicism. I donā€™t know why God doesnā€™t give them all visions. Probably for some complex and good reasons for all of our good.

Just because people technically, if they type the right keywords and click on the right pages in Google can find some good Catholic resourcesā€¦ These often are not sufficient to justify continued searchings and researchā€¦ and alsoā€¦ Often times people donā€™t know the right questions to ask. To find the right answers in this day of the internet, one has to ask the right questions. That doesnā€™t always happen, and oftentimes, not due to sin, persons remain ignorantā€¦ That is why it is our responsibility as Catholics to take the truth to them with the love of Christ burning contagiously within our hearts.
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Agreed

And I would just add,
  1. one needs to be adept in the terms one uses in the search line to try and eliminate the garbage that often pops up first. Also reading the link first to see if itā€™s Catholic.
  2. One needs to learn solid Catholic resources that are always dependable.
 
And itā€™s really hard for Protestants to know that, unless they have the kind of time that Iā€™ve had on my hands as a college student to really dive into everything.

Also, different theological languages can divide understanding even more than actual languages, because you often ā€˜thinkā€™ you understand whatā€™s being said when you donā€™t. If this is true for Catholics and Orthodox, how much truer is it for Protestants, who lack the Graces in the Holy Mysteries and exposure (and so knowledge for access) and knowledge of Traditions of the Church that we have?

Even those who are completely sold out to Christ and repentant of sins as much as they can to their knowledge and competence.
 
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This is exactly why we need to as Catholic individuals and communities step up to the plate and answer this desperate need of our brothers and sisters in Christ. If we do not leave the thirsty without drink, how much less can we turn a blind eye when our family in Christ lack access to the waters of the truth of our unity and fullness of life? Many Protestants canā€™t imagine the Graces we have existing for them until Heavenā€¦ I thought this. When I discovered the truth of the Church, it was as if Heaven had come downā€¦ though it had always been hereā€¦ and I didnā€™t know it.
 
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NotMyOwn said:
And itā€™s really hard for Protestants to know that, unless they have the kind of time that Iā€™ve had on my hands as a college student.

Different theological languages can divide understanding even more than actual languages, because you often ā€˜thinkā€™ you understand whatā€™s being said when you donā€™t. If this is true for Catholics and Orthodox, how much truer is it for Protestants, who lack the Graces in the Holy Mysteries and exposure (and so knowledge for access) and knowledge of Traditions of the Church that we have?
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agreed

The sign on the cross over Jesus head, was in 3 languages of the day. Jn 19:19-20 RSVCE - Pilate also wrote a title and put it on - Bible Gateway
 
Onward, forward, marching. Victory in hand, Christ in our hearts, soul in Heaven, may we be Christā€™s Witness to His Kingdom on Earth. When Christ spoke of ā€œthe City on the Hillā€, He was speaking of the Catholic Church. Together, ready. Forward. No going back. No retreats. No reserves, and no regrets. Onward, forward, marching, our Ark gone before us, we are His Temple on Earth, soldiers of Christā€™s Light.
 
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NotMyOwn said:
I love apologetics. Thatā€™s why what you are doing with it appalls me.

I love apologetics, but I love the redemption and reunity of those separated from us more. I love truth, but I love mercy, and God, Who is Truth, does too. And thatā€™s why telling people that theyā€™re going to Hell, explicitly or implicitly, and attacking them, explicitly or implicitly, can actually be contrary to the Truth itself. Thatā€™s why Iā€™m smh.
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Well, when youā€™re crowned king of apologists, let me know. In the meantime, Iā€™ll keep on doing what Iā€™m doing.

Ok?
 
NotMyOwn said:
And itā€™s really hard for Protestants to know that, unless they have the kind of time that Iā€™ve had on my hands as a college student to really dive into everything.
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Yet look how fast one can ask a person a question, how fast they use their phone to get an answer. Itā€™s seconds.
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NotMyOwn:
Also, different theological languages can divide understanding even more than actual languages, because you often ā€˜thinkā€™ you understand whatā€™s being said when you donā€™t.
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I personally have big issues in how certain words get lost or are even misleading in English translations.
 
steve-b said:
Yet look how fast one can ask a person a question, how fast they use their phone to get an answer. Itā€™s seconds.
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There are different kinds of questionsā€¦ Some have no simple answer. Some are too complex for a simple question or answer. Some you have to chew on for months, even years. God promises to answer those who ask. He doesnā€™t promise to do it immediately. Sometimes we can be the beaters of those answers people are looking for. We as Catholics are truly a people of Mystery. I remember how mysterious Catholics always were to me. We exist to be thatā€¦ and through the Mystery, to provide the answers people seek.
 
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