Deciding to homeschool?

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In other words no, you don’t believe in laws, taxes, etc. Which is against Catholic teaching.

I’m very happy to live in a place where we vote on laws and then follow them. You prefer anarchy. Or at least claim to, while still receiving all the benefits that come with living in a lawful society.
 
Catholism does not teach that you play into Marxism.
ktmeyer said:
In other words no, you don’t believe in laws, taxes, etc. Which is against Catholic teaching.
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Sorry, but I firmly believe in laws.
 
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Just not taxes?

You said you were against being forced to do things, or others forcing you, and laws do that. So its not about force, if you are only upset about it when it involves money.
 
I’m very familiar with Sudbury type schools, and in fact a relative of mine founded a democratic free school decades ago, that is still in operation, here in the USA.

But comparing those results, where you have kids surrounded by tools, books, art, music, and teachers/tutors that are able and willing to facilitate their curiosity, to what would happen large scale in homes where there isn’t even a single book and no one is around to facilitate much of anything, nor cares to do so if they are, is ludicrous.

You say you care, so you give personally. But that helps how many? For a society wide problem there needs to be giving on a societal scale, and yes, that means taxes. For roads, police, military, schools, health inspectors, drug regulation, etc.

If only those who want to give give, it won’t be enough. it never was.
 
I don’t care because I don’t support Marxism? Okay. You have a beautiful evening.
 
Oh yeah, exactly. I remember making a considerable fool out of myself in college because I had been taught that slaves were happier to be slaves than they were to be free; that they were universally treated as, essentially, family members; that slavery was A-OK in the Catholic worldview. Then I started reading something other than the standard Catholic/Christian homeschool texts of the time and was pretty horrified.

I also remember going on a field trip to a young earth creationist museum. While I admit that my grasp of the evolution vs young earth argument is still foggy at best (yay for never taking a proper biology course, she says sarcastically), I still maintain that any theory that consists of “the earth was surrounded by a giant bubble of water that made sunlight refract into the red light spectrum and that made people grow to be nine feet tall and neutralized snake venom, but then God popped the bubble to make the flood and that’s how we have the world we live in today” is…questionable…at best. (I oversimplify, but only very, very slightly.)

Despite my awful experiences, we’re actually planning on homeschooling our kids due to a combination of questionable local public schools and pricey/exclusive private ones. My lack of an education concerns me a LOT as I think about this, but I think that with my requirements that we assess every year, put the kids into a lot of extracurriculars, and use fewer religious texts and more mainstream ones, it may work.
 
UbiCaritas said:
Oh yeah, exactly. I remember making a considerable fool out of myself in college because I had been taught that slaves were happier to be slaves than they were to be free; that they were universally treated as, essentially, family members; that slavery was A-OK in the Catholic worldview. Then I started reading something other than the standard Catholic/Christian homeschool texts of the time and was pretty horrified.
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Despite my awful experiences, we’re actually planning on homeschooling our kids due to a combination of questionable local public schools and pricey/exclusive private ones. My lack of an education concerns me a LOT as I think about this, but I think that with my requirements that we assess every year, put the kids into a lot of extracurriculars, and use fewer religious texts and more mainstream ones, it may work.
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Yeah, for my own kids I plan to do Montessori type schooling while they are young, co-op for upper elementary and middle (and use a curriculum for what the co-op lacks). Then when they are in high school have a hard look at the art, math, history and science textbooks offered by Catholic Curriculum and use an online public or allow them to attend classes in the public school nearby. (as my husband did).

I will NOT let them learn history from the mind of a half-baked pseudo historian’s wife. (Props if you know I’m speaking of). Are books by McGraw Hill and Pearson any better? Yes and no. However, I would rather let my child see a “valid” argument from a text and then inform them of why it is actually ‘history of the victors’ and show them sources about other facts (like native American life) than feeding them a book of garbage that ignores ALL sides of history for a pseudo “Catholic” agenda.

I remember that slave thing. It’s beyond the pale that it has ever been committed to writing, nevermind that it’s provided to Catholic children.

Even with a classical curriculum foundation (and classes swapped) still, provide a homeschooling child with plenty of options for personal growth. My friends eldest, 17, is a Highschool Debater on a national level and has won awards. Her 15 yo got in the top 10 in her division at Nationals. They are doing a classical curriculum + co-op classes + Community College classes (the same ones offered to the dual enrollment public school kids) as their schooling. They will be well prepared for the ACTUAL future they will face, not some fantacy about how people are free to do whatever they feel like.
 

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I don’t need to research more.
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There is probably nothing more dangerous than a person who claims to be so educated that he or she does not have a need to ever learn more about the world around them.

I am just going to humbly request that you take the time to at least watch the video above. It is generally about how factual information is to be taken out of schools and replaced with social curriculums that will reform the way our children believe in order to bring in societal changes. I have researched this for many, many years. This is not education. It is destruction of all that is free in our country. I sound extreme, but I am not. I am passionate about preservation of our natural rights and freedoms.

I do honestly believe those who love children the most are the parents, families. Most will make certain their kids are protected. I believe their child’s education is their territory, whether they homeschool, private school, unschool. . I respect their wishes, as long as they are loving, and it is not for me to understand and agree with their beliefs. I have no domain over their children and neither do you. As for those who need help, the only way to not attach an agenda, as far as I can see, is a voucher plan of some sort where parents and not statists remain in control of the education dollars. Believe it or not, I ache for the ones who fall through the cracks. I just don’t think that justifies building schools that will eventually be used against us. There has to be another answer. States build their greatest desired constituents. People build their greatest selves. Do people build their greatest selves in prison like institution settings like those of public schools? Are natural settings more conducive to learning and growing?
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So the government offers public schools for those inattentive parents to use for free. It then collects money from all for this greater good.
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Those are contradictory sentences. In the first sentence you say is free and in the second sentence, it has to be paid for. Which is it?
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Parents are able to educate their children how they see fit.
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No, that is absolutely not the case when the education has to comply with federal standards. If we continue on this path, the state will monopolize every aspect of “education,” as they do in parts of Europe where kids can be taken from parents who attempt to homeschool their kids.

Please do the research. It is vital you understand what is going on.
 
I didn’t say I did not research

I said I did enough. I am informed enough about this topic.

I know better than to fall into the isolationist rabbit hole.

You STILL are ignoring the fact that some parents do not want education and would rather have their children worked to death.

It is very difficult to understand the viewpoints of those who don’t care to educate their children. It is unthinkable to many parents and it makes my stomach churn. There are far, far too many parents who would happily send their children to earn pennies on the dollar. This is not an imaginary mindset. We have seen it happen in history. Children died and were crippled. They were seen as expendable. And the parents did nothing. We actually STILL see it in the US (though scarce) with children of illegal immigrants. Granted, many times these are young teens who lie about age…but we still have child labor. It’s not right. But, it IS the choice of the parents. Vouchers would do NOTHING if education was not mandatory. And if we make something mandatory then all the people need to help ensure it is possible for those parents who cannot do it on their own.
 
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cough Carroll cough 😏

Yes, DH’s family also homeschooled, and those who are adults are doing well in their given fields thanks to a combination of a good curriculum plus a lot of dual enrollment stuff once they hit high school. We live in a state which also offers free dual enrollment to high schoolers, whether publicly-, privately-, or home-educated, and will be taking full advantage of that in time. DH and most of his siblings had their first two years of college completed by the time they turned 18 and graduated–a very nice graduation bonus!
 
UbiCaritas said:
cough Carroll cough 😏

Yes, DH’s family also homeschooled, and those who are adults are doing well in their given fields thanks to a combination of a good curriculum plus a lot of dual enrollment stuff once they hit high school. We live in a state which also offers free dual enrollment to high schoolers, whether publicly-, privately-, or home-educated, and will be taking full advantage of that in time. DH and most of his siblings had their first two years of college completed by the time they turned 18 and graduated–a very nice graduation bonus!
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You so get me.

Yeah, although as someone who worked in higher ed for a decade—I don’t think that my kids are going to go to a traditional private 4 year uni, because I’m not sure that many will exist as they do today.

I do think dual-enrollment is the name of the game today.

Not only does the kid get college credits, but they get the social navigational skills. I don’t know about you but while homeschoolers excel at self-motivation they absolutely stink at things like taking turns speaking in class, not steering the conversation to their agenda and general know-it-all-ism. I’d say private school kids are worse at being know it alls, but I could always tell the homeschoolers by mid-terms because professors would ask me to address “class conduct” and they’d always do it with a “I’m glad they participate but…”
 
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