Decision is not a conscious act

[Bahman]

1. Decision is the act of choosing between subjects
2. The act decision needs existence of subjects in mind for excluding one in favour of others
3. Consciousness is the ability to experience one subject and only one subject at a time
4. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time
5. Decision is not a conscious act

This means that decision is subconscious act.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

This is contrary to Catholic teaching. All should be aware that Bahman constently attempts to get Catholics and Christians to disagree with Divine Revelation and the teaching of the Church. He is attacking Christian Faith.Ignore him, he is messing with your mind.

Linus2nd

 

[Linusthe2nd]

As usual Bahman is peddling something contrary to Catholic teaching.

This is contrary to Catholic teaching. All should be aware that Bahman constently attempts to get Catholics and Christians to disagree with Divine Revelation and the teaching of the Church. He is attacking Christian Faith.Ignore him, he is messing with your mind.

Linus2nd

 

[Bahman]

Come on dude, I thought you are the man of reason. Please don’t tell me that this is another “catch 22”.

 

[UbiCaritas15]

1. Decision is the act of choosing between subjects
2. The act decision needs existence of subjects in mind for excluding one in favour of others
3. Consciousness is the ability to experience one subject and only one subject at a time
4. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time
5. Decision is not a conscious act

This means that decision is subconscious act.

I’m a girl, so I can consciously think of at least a million things at once. This isn’t a problem for me. Seriously though, maybe fasting might help because his sounds like a junk food problem. Lent is coming!!!

 

[on_the_hill]

1. Decision is the act of choosing between subjects
2. The act decision needs existence of subjects in mind for excluding one in favour of others
3. Consciousness is the ability to experience one subject and only one subject at a time
4. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time
5. Decision is not a conscious act

This means that decision is subconscious act.

O.k…, I’ll bite.

The decision to wear a jacket when it’s cold outside is subconscious.

With regard to number 3. Maybe this is true, but I’m not sure it is. Has there been research to prove it?

With regard to 4, you’re assuming that the decision itself cannot be an experience. Is there scientific proof that a decision cannot be an experience?

The more I think about your conjecture, the more absurd it is.

 

[empther]

As usual Bahman is peddling something contrary to Catholic teaching.

This is contrary to Catholic teaching. All should be aware that Bahman constently attempts to get Catholics and Christians to disagree with Divine Revelation and the teaching of the Church. He is attacking Christian Faith.Ignore him, he is messing with your mind.

Linus2nd

Right on, Linus !!!

This thread is just a rehash of the uselessness of concisouness thread, which laid an egg.

By the way…

1. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time :bigyikes: ** This is even more amateurish than the usual. ]**

When my car doesn’t start on a cold January morning, I can be concious that it might be the battery, or an electrical connection, or cold oil etc etc etc. All these things occur to me at once because I know something about how a car is made and works.
So by the concept of car everybody understands it has wheels, and engine, transmission etc etc etc. All there ideas are contained in the one idea “car”. This is how humans think, otherwise we couldn’t get through the day.

The OP argument falls apart.

 

[djchez]

Decision is really two acts; the act of rejecting one and the act of choosing another. These do not need to exist in the mind concurrently.

 

[on_the_hill]

The brain is an excellent multi-tasker.

 

[AnimalSpirits]

1. Decision is the act of choosing between subjects
2. The act decision needs existence of subjects in mind for excluding one in favour of others
3. Consciousness is the ability to experience one subject and only one subject at a time
4. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time
5. Decision is not a conscious act

This means that decision is subconscious act.

I’m a little confused, especially with 4. Example:

Option A gives me $5, option B gives me $10.

Consider option A–> store the association “A=$10”

Do the same for B

Compare 5 and 10.

I like $10 better.

A is associated with $10

Choose A.​

I don’t have to be able to simultaneously consider multiple options, I just have to be able to recall previous thoughts.

 

[Beryllos]

1. Decision is the act of choosing between subjects
2. The act decision needs existence of subjects in mind for excluding one in favour of others
3. Consciousness is the ability to experience one subject and only one subject at a time
4. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time
5. Decision is not a conscious act

This means that decision is subconscious act.

I think the error is in Point 3. Did you base that on psychological research, personal experience, or philosophical considerations?

 

[djchez]

The error is in the initial premise, that a “decision” of one over another, is a single act.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Come on dude, I thought you are the man of reason. Please don’t tell me that this is another “catch 22”.

No, it is nothing more than propaganda.

Linus2nd

 

[AnimalSpirits]

As usual Bahman is peddling something contrary to Catholic teaching.

This is contrary to Catholic teaching. All should be aware that Bahman constently attempts to get Catholics and Christians to disagree with Divine Revelation and the teaching of the Church. He is attacking Christian Faith.Ignore him, he is messing with your mind.

Linus2nd

Proposing contrary ideas, half-baked though they may be, should never be considered an “attack.”

 

[tdgesq]

I’m a girl, so I can consciously think of at least a million things at once. This isn’t a problem for me. Seriously though, maybe fasting might help because his sounds like a junk food problem. Lent is coming!!!

Lol. I think this is the best answer yet; and I’m only partially kidding. A shoddy syllogism with doubtful premises loses to one’s own experiences. That’s taking into consideration the contemporary subconscious brain studies.

 

[Aloysium]

1. Decision is the act of choosing between subjects
2. The act decision needs existence of subjects in mind for excluding one in favour of others
3. Consciousness is the ability to experience one subject and only one subject at a time
4. The act decision cannot be done in conscious mind since only one subject is subject of experience at any given time
5. Decision is not a conscious act

This means that decision is subconscious act.

I don’t want to rob you of your dreams, but philosophy is not your forte.

 

[Bahman]

I’m a girl, so I can consciously think of at least a million things at once. This isn’t a problem for me. Seriously though, maybe fasting might help because his sounds like a junk food problem. Lent is coming!!!

You must be kidding. But seriously speaking can you listen to news and read a new book for a minute with focus and recall both. If yes, then you are a super human.

 

[Bahman]

O.k…, I’ll bite.

The decision to wear a jacket when it’s cold outside is subconscious.

With regard to number 3. Maybe this is true, but I’m not sure it is. Has there been research to prove it?

You can do it on your own. Try to think of two subjects with full focus if you can. The simpler task is to listen to news and read a new simple book with the full focus for a while and then try to recall the contents of both news and talk if you can.

With regard to 4, you’re assuming that the decision itself cannot be an experience. Is there scientific proof that a decision cannot be an experience?

What is decision? Decision is a mind activity to resolve a conflict of interest and once the conflict is resolve, we deduce that decision is made. We can of course cannot experience the decision itself since it is done in subconsciousness and we can only become aware of it through deduction.

The more I think about your conjecture, the more absurd it is.

How do you perform a decision?

 

[Bahman]

Decision is really two acts; the act of rejecting one and the act of choosing another. These do not need to exist in the mind concurrently.

Decision is one act, once one subject is rejected the other is the only available option. This act needs the comparison of two subjects in mind at the same time, which cannot be done in consciousness mind, hence it is done in subconscious mind.

 

[Bahman]

I’m a little confused, especially with 4. Example:

Option A gives me $5, option B gives me $10.

Consider option A–> store the association “A=$10”

Do the same for B

Compare 5 and 10.

I like $10 better.

A is associated with $10

Choose A.​

I don’t have to be able to simultaneously consider multiple options, I just have to be able to recall previous thoughts.

How do you compare 5 and 10? You need to explain how the act comparison between 5 and 10 is made. You cannot do this act in your conscious mind since you cannot focus on two subjects, 5 and 10, at the same time. “Compare” in your example is in fact the act of “decision”.