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timeandeternity
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Um, what? I know there have been a few crazies that have killed abortionists, but they have nothing to do with what the pro-life movement is about.
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TheTrueCentrist
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I did not say that the crazies were representative of all pro-lifers, that they were exclusively on the pro-life side, or that they were indicative of the intent of the pro-life movement. Why did you respond so defensively?Um, what? I know there have been a few crazies that have killed abortionists, but they have nothing to do with what the pro-life movement is about.
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edwest2
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Each one of us is different. And each one of us is only human. Sometimes, we take on too much. Other times, we need to rest and pray. I made a friend standing outside of an abortion clinic. After a while, I stopped seeing her. I asked one of the regulars where she was. The answer was she was feeling burned out and needed time to recharge. In other cases, we feel like we can or cannot solve a big problem like abortion or we get stressed that we can’t feed more of the homeless. Perhaps there are other stressful issues in your life that make you feel like you’re doing way too much.
Pray, reflect. Ask yourself where these feeling are coming from.
Peace,
Ed
Pray, reflect. Ask yourself where these feeling are coming from.
Peace,
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Pfaffenhoffen
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The abortion debate is one of the few issues that causes domestic terrorism in the US. Because of this I am always reluctant to publicly be involved with any particular organization or activity solely dedicated to abortion-related work.
I am puzzled. Any examples ?causes domestic terrorism
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TheTrueCentrist
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violenceI am puzzled. Any examples ?
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He_Man
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Technically, act of a mother choosing an abortion itself is as domestically terroristic as the occasionaly bomobing of a clinic, so I can sort of see your point.The abortion debate is one of the few issues that causes domestic terrorism in the US. Because of this I am always reluctant to publicly be involved with any particular organization or activity solely dedicated to abortion-related work.
Thankfully, the latter is extremely rare, but the former is extremely common.
Since he didn’t get specific, the mom’s and dad’s advocating the murder of their children are acting as much like terrorists as are the rare clinic bomber crazies. He didn’t say why he felt like it was domestic terrorism, so it could be both sides.Um, what? I know there have been a few crazies that have killed abortionists, but they have nothing to do with what the pro-life movement is about.
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He_Man
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Technically, the mom’s and dad’s advocating the murder of their children are acting as much like terrorists as are the rare clinic bomber crazies. He didn’t say why he felt like it was domestic terrorism, so it could be both sides.Um, what? I know there have been a few crazies that have killed abortionists, but they have nothing to do with what the pro-life movement is about.
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vera_dicere
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I think you’re getting a little burnt out. Perhaps some time out would refresh youI am very active in the pro-life movement; I’m running my university’s pro-life student group, I regularly pray outside abortion clinics, I post pro-life articles on facebook and engage in discussion with friends about life issues, etc. However, I have a great repugnance toward this work. The last thing I want to do each week is to head over to the clinic and pray, and when I’m there, it’s all I can do to stop thinking about how much I want to leave. Every week, I’m tempted to make excuses for why I don’t have to go. I don’t like running this group at all. I often feel disgust toward pro-life work and even pro-lifers. I sometimes get bitter about all the work I do, and there have been times when I’ve just vented to God, telling Him how much I hate this and don’t want to do it anymore. I do it because I feel like I have to. After all, it is work that absolutely needs to be done, and not enough people are stepping up to the plate.
Now, I know pro-lifers don’t get up in the morning and say, “Hey, lets head on over to the abortuary and have a grand old time praying and counseling! It’ll be loads of fun!!” Of course not–it’s not “fun” to do. But many are very, very passionate about pro-life work, and find so much joy in what they do, even in the midst of the ugliness and sorrow of what they’re up against. I’m not like this.
Have any of you had this kind of experience with anything (not necessarily pro-life work)? If so, what did you do to overcome your repugnance? Do you have any advice for me? I don’t want to use this as an excuse for inaction and apathy; I want to overcome my disgust so I can be active without hating it.
If you’re not burnt out, if there’s soemthign else going on, perhaps you need to consider your definition of repugnance:
Workign for the pro-life movement, or killing innocent children and spiritually, emotionally, mentally and sometiems physically maiming their mothers in the process.
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odile53
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What left a very bad taste in my mouth for the demonstrators is something that happened to me about fifteen years ago. I had had extensive shoulder surgery one December. My orthopedic surgeon was in a large medical center building, which was also occupied by an abortion clinic.
During a period of pro-life demonstrations I had a post-op appointment. Since I could not drive with my arm in an immobilizer, Mom drove me to the appointment. And since I could not get my arm into a coat sleeve I was wearing a large cape draped over me. For all the world, I looked like I was in an advanced state of pregnancy, even though I am very slender.
When we pulled into the parking lot one of the demonstrators thumped the butt end of his picket sign against Mom’s windshield, screaming “Let your baby live!” The walk from the car to the building was just as intrusive and harrowing. A couple of cops were standing nearby, looking bored as all get-out. And all I was doing was going to get a drain removed from my shoulder and have my incision line checked!
When I got up the stairs I turned to the crowd, flipped back the cape exposing my immobilizer to them, and shouted back, “I’m going to an orthopedic surgeon! Leave me alone!”
Sorry. I’ll support pro-life causes (especially crisis pregnancy centers, because of their positive and educational role to women who need such help to continue their pregnancies with some support.) But that experience left a sour taste in my mouth, and I doubt you’d find me doing any demonstrating, even though I agree with the cause.
During a period of pro-life demonstrations I had a post-op appointment. Since I could not drive with my arm in an immobilizer, Mom drove me to the appointment. And since I could not get my arm into a coat sleeve I was wearing a large cape draped over me. For all the world, I looked like I was in an advanced state of pregnancy, even though I am very slender.
When we pulled into the parking lot one of the demonstrators thumped the butt end of his picket sign against Mom’s windshield, screaming “Let your baby live!” The walk from the car to the building was just as intrusive and harrowing. A couple of cops were standing nearby, looking bored as all get-out. And all I was doing was going to get a drain removed from my shoulder and have my incision line checked!
When I got up the stairs I turned to the crowd, flipped back the cape exposing my immobilizer to them, and shouted back, “I’m going to an orthopedic surgeon! Leave me alone!”
Sorry. I’ll support pro-life causes (especially crisis pregnancy centers, because of their positive and educational role to women who need such help to continue their pregnancies with some support.) But that experience left a sour taste in my mouth, and I doubt you’d find me doing any demonstrating, even though I agree with the cause.
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timeandeternity
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Odile, I’m so sorry for your experience. Please know this is not representative of true pro-life efforts, and I am just as turned-off by this kind of behavior as you are. I find it reprehensible that when others are trying to peacefully pray or hand out literature, others are screaming and waving signs in the poor women’s faces. Thank you for your support of CPC’s, though–you’re right, they’re such a blessing!
I just talked via facebook with Bryan Kemper, leader of StandTrue Christ-Centered Ministry (check it out at standtrue.com–pretty amazing!). I told him my feelings, and he gave me this response:
I just talked via facebook with Bryan Kemper, leader of StandTrue Christ-Centered Ministry (check it out at standtrue.com–pretty amazing!). I told him my feelings, and he gave me this response:
Alena I feel the same way. I hate my job, I have been doing this full time for over 20 years and I hate it. Being at the abortion clinic is my least favorite thing in the world, in fact most people I know who do this feel the same way.
I hate that when I wake up in the morning I have to think about dead babies and then find a way to get others to think about dead babies. It SUCKS.
But what sucks more is the fact that my generation has left this legacy to you, we have left you 40 years of child killing. I refuse to allow this to be passed on to my kids and grand kids.
My hope in Christ is where I find my strength, and now being a Catholic makes it even stronger. I am sure the Christ hated being whipped, stabbed, and hung on a tree; especially when could have stopped it at anytime. But what he hated more was sin and he conquered it for you and I. More than I hate my job, I hate abortion and so I must conquer it.
I found it inspiring that he feels the same way I do, yet is unflagging in his efforts and keeps going despite his feelings about this work. He has certainly encouraged me to do the same.I hope this helped.
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wondrousgnat
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I have picketed abortion clinics on a number of occasions. At times we carried video cameras with us because of police harrassment. One time a car made an unsignaled turn and ran over a man walking on the sidewalk. A policeman pulled him from under the car (he was unhurt) and arrested him. The policeman arrested the pedestrian (he wasn’t even one of us, just walking past). At the man’s trial the judge refused to view the video.
Another time a policeman informed us that the clinic claimed a prolifer broke in and was damaging material until caught and was chased off. The policeman admitted that everything destroyed was old and had new replacements but the old was still insured. Furthermore the clinic could not explain how the “vandal” was chased off the the yard without leaving prints in the snow. But the insurance claim was filed anyway.
Another time a policeman informed us that the clinic claimed a prolifer broke in and was damaging material until caught and was chased off. The policeman admitted that everything destroyed was old and had new replacements but the old was still insured. Furthermore the clinic could not explain how the “vandal” was chased off the the yard without leaving prints in the snow. But the insurance claim was filed anyway.
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