Defending a Higher Law: Why We Must Resist Same-sex “Marriage”

[mkingdomlvr]

and before any one goes there I have no problem celebrating MLK or African American PEOPLE…but homosexual ACTS are NOT a PEOPLE…its a lifestyle…I’ve never heard of an EX african american…

and you can say ‘oh well those homosexuals that are EX homosexuals were sent to CAMPS’ but thats BS…I’ve never heard of those ‘camps’ until i came to this website…and have NEVER heard of anyone whose actually been there…

But I can name at least 7 people, easy off the top of my head that used to do ‘homosexual acts’ or were ‘bi sexual’ myself included, that no longer have any desire to do so anymore…and not because of ‘god’ or the ‘church’ or anything…its just something they ‘grew out of’ or they found their spouse and wondered what the heck they were thinking doing all of that foolin’ around etc…

I do know someone that was sent to one of those camps by her parents. She attempted suicide, and her parents decided that they would rather have a live gay daughter and stopped trying to “fix” her. I have another friend that was sent to a mental institution by her parents, and the relationship never recovered. Not only between her and her parents, but her siblings were also horrified by what happened to her and it created tension between them and their parents too. Oh, btw-she’s still gay too. My former partner and I both chose to follow Catholic teaching and broke up-but we’re both still gay. You can choose not to commit the acts, but you can’t change your basic orientation. Straight people can choose to be celibate too, but they’re still straight.

 

[Charlotte408]

I do know someone that was sent to one of those camps by her parents. She attempted suicide, and her parents decided that they would rather have a live gay daughter and stopped trying to “fix” her. I have another friend that was sent to a mental institution by her parents, and the relationship never recovered. Not only between her and her parents, but her siblings were also horrified by what happened to her and it created tension between them and their parents too. Oh, btw-she’s still gay too. My former partner and I both chose to follow Catholic teaching and broke up-but we’re both still gay. You can choose not to commit the acts, but you can’t change your basic orientation. Straight people can choose to be celibate too, but they’re still straight.

oh yeah, dont get me wrong, im not saying those ‘institutions’ or ‘camps’ whatever they are, are right and-or good…i personally have no experience with them so i cant say…but i said that because people have told me that the only ‘ex’ gays are the ones that go thru those programs because theyre forced to…etc…

which isnt true. im sure there are plenty of cases of it, i would resent someone shippin’ me off somewhere i didnt wanna go…but thats not the case with EVERY ex homosexual…

but you say something here that i’d like to point out. you can ‘choose’ to not commit the acts…ok well, if someone is born black, they cant ‘choose’ not to be black…you ARE what you are, your ‘sex life’ is changable, choosable…it does not define WHO YOU ARE.

 

[Charlotte408]

its a lifestyle…you can ‘choose’ to live it, or not…

 

[mkingdomlvr]

its a lifestyle…you can ‘choose’ to live it, or not…

you can choose not to have sex no matter what orientation you are.

And here’s a question-what the heck do people mean by “lifestyle”??? Here’s my “lifestyle”: I go to the gym, to work, buy groceries, watch TV, see movies and occasionally get some housework and reading done. That’s my big fat gay “lifestyle”. How is that different from a single straight person’s “lifestyle”??

As Catholics, if we’re not married we aren’t supposed to be having sex. It’s the same rule for me as a gay person as it is for a single straight person. The sex act is NOT a lifestyle.

 

[Charlotte408]

you can choose not to have sex no matter what orientation you are.

And here’s a question-what the heck do people mean by “lifestyle”??? Here’s my “lifestyle”: I go to the gym, to work, buy groceries, watch TV, see movies and occasionally get some housework and reading done. That’s my big fat gay “lifestyle”. How is that different from a single straight person’s “lifestyle”??

As Catholics, if we’re not married we aren’t supposed to be having sex. It’s the same rule for me as a gay person as it is for a single straight person. The sex act is NOT a lifestyle.

its NOT. exactly my point. so why is there a MONTH celebrating it???

and other than that, when we refer to it as ‘lifestyle’ we mean the sexual lifestyle of practicing homosexual acts. and its not the same rule for you as for a straight person, because married people, meaning a man and a woman, are having sex between a man and a woman…

if you, a gay person, wanted to get married, by all means you can. the church is not stopping you from doing so. you just have to get married to a woman. and have sex with a woman. wether you want to do that is up to you…

 

[mkingdomlvr]

its NOT. exactly my point. so why is there a MONTH celebrating it???

and other than that, when we refer to it as ‘lifestyle’ we mean the sexual lifestyle of practicing homosexual acts. and its not the same rule for you as for a straight person, because married people, meaning a man and a woman, are having sex between a man and a woman…

if you, a gay person, wanted to get married, by all means you can. the church is not stopping you from doing so. you just have to get married to a woman. and have sex with a woman. wether you want to do that is up to you…

That month isn’t about sex, it’s about understanding that everyone isn’t heterosexual, and just because they aren’t doesn’t mean they deserve to be hated, beaten, killed, denied housing, or denied jobs.

I still don’t understand how my “lifestyle” is so different from anyone else, and why heterosexual sex acts aren’t considered a “lifestyle”. To me, the term is used to classify us as somehow inferior or frightening, when other than the sex act we are no different from anyone else.

Oh, if only I could get married and have sex with a woman!! I’d still be with my partner!

 

[gearhead]

That argument won’t wash.

Homosexual acts are a grave sin. They damage the soul of the sinner, they damage society, and they damage the very cosmos.

There is nothing kind or charitable in encouraging mortal sin. And we SHOULD fear mortal sin more than we feer seeming ‘uncool.’

I don’t think that’s really the issue. No matter what you do, gay people will stay gay and will continue to engage in relationships with people of the same sex. They’ll even cohabitate and raise families. You cannot magically “poof” gay people out of existence; you can only have a say in how society will treat those people.

Ever since the same-sex marriage came into public discussion, I was in favour of it, but an incident about two years ago completely cemented the issue in my mind: a friend of my wife’s suddenly took very sick. He had a respiratory attack that was so severe that when they took him to the ER, he was immediately admitted and put into an induced coma to save his life.

He stayed in the coma for a month, and was intubated and rather heavily drugged for about a month after that. Basically, without prior warning, he was suddenly and completely out of commission for two solid months.

In the meantime, his wife did the best she could to cope with all this while still taking care of their twin girls, still in diapers. One problem that came up very quickly was money: his salary was automatically deposited into his personal chequing account. Without it, she wouldn’t be able to pay the mortgage. However, because they were married, this was an easy problem to fix: she went into the bank, told the staff her situation, showed them a few pieces of ID, and was able to get the money out of his account and paid onto the mortgage.

Now… here’s the thing I realized: imagine a society without same-sex marriage. And imagine the same scenario playing out, but with one difference: instead of a man and a woman, it’s a woman and a woman. The position against same-sex marriage effectively says that in this case, the best option is to take that woman, already going through one of the worst experiences of her life, evict her from her home and throw her and her children out on the street.

This isn’t the only way in which same-sex marriage affects people’s lives, but in general, there’s a theme that runs through the idea of prohibiting same-sex marriage: kicking people when they’re down.

Do you see anything kind or charitable in that?

 

[1catholic]

I don’t think that’s really the issue. No matter what you do, gay people will stay gay and will continue to engage in relationships with people of the same sex. They’ll even cohabitate and raise families. You cannot magically “poof” gay people out of existence; you can only have a say in how society will treat those people.

Ever since the same-sex marriage came into public discussion, I was in favour of it, but an incident about two years ago completely cemented the issue in my mind: a friend of my wife’s suddenly took very sick. He had a respiratory attack that was so severe that when they took him to the ER, he was immediately admitted and put into an induced coma to save his life.

He stayed in the coma for a month, and was intubated and rather heavily drugged for about a month after that. Basically, without prior warning, he was suddenly and completely out of commission for two solid months.

In the meantime, his wife did the best she could to cope with all this while still taking care of their twin girls, still in diapers. One problem that came up very quickly was money: his salary was automatically deposited into his personal chequing account. Without it, she wouldn’t be able to pay the mortgage. However, because they were married, this was an easy problem to fix: she went into the bank, told the staff her situation, showed them a few pieces of ID, and was able to get the money out of his account and paid onto the mortgage.

Now… here’s the thing I realized: imagine a society without same-sex marriage. And imagine the same scenario playing out, but with one difference: instead of a man and a woman, it’s a woman and a woman. The position against same-sex marriage effectively says that in this case, the best option is to take that woman, already going through one of the worst experiences of her life, evict her from her home and throw her and her children out on the street.

This isn’t the only way in which same-sex marriage affects people’s lives, but in general, there’s a theme that runs through the idea of prohibiting same-sex marriage: kicking people when they’re down.

Do you see anything kind or charitable in that?

I was for legal gay unions do to this argument, originally (not religious). You can have benefits like that without getting other benefits that come from tax payer $'s. Gay marriage doesn’t benefit the state so why should the state care. what happened to separation between church and state? Let them give each other their own money/benefits but don’t reward them for their union. This article is what convinced me: tech.mit.edu/V124/N5/kolasinski.5c.html

 

[mkingdomlvr]

I don’t think that’s really the issue. No matter what you do, gay people will stay gay and will continue to engage in relationships with people of the same sex. They’ll even cohabitate and raise families. You cannot magically “poof” gay people out of existence; you can only have a say in how society will treat those people.

Ever since the same-sex marriage came into public discussion, I was in favour of it, but an incident about two years ago completely cemented the issue in my mind: a friend of my wife’s suddenly took very sick. He had a respiratory attack that was so severe that when they took him to the ER, he was immediately admitted and put into an induced coma to save his life.

He stayed in the coma for a month, and was intubated and rather heavily drugged for about a month after that. Basically, without prior warning, he was suddenly and completely out of commission for two solid months.

In the meantime, his wife did the best she could to cope with all this while still taking care of their twin girls, still in diapers. One problem that came up very quickly was money: his salary was automatically deposited into his personal chequing account. Without it, she wouldn’t be able to pay the mortgage. However, because they were married, this was an easy problem to fix: she went into the bank, told the staff her situation, showed them a few pieces of ID, and was able to get the money out of his account and paid onto the mortgage.

Now… here’s the thing I realized: imagine a society without same-sex marriage. And imagine the same scenario playing out, but with one difference: instead of a man and a woman, it’s a woman and a woman. The position against same-sex marriage effectively says that in this case, the best option is to take that woman, already going through one of the worst experiences of her life, evict her from her home and throw her and her children out on the street.

This isn’t the only way in which same-sex marriage affects people’s lives, but in general, there’s a theme that runs through the idea of prohibiting same-sex marriage: kicking people when they’re down.

Do you see anything kind or charitable in that?

To many who oppose gay marriage, the sin committed justifies the unkind and uncharitable treatment.

 

[gearhead]

I was for legal gay unions do to this argument, originally (not religious). You can have benefits like that without getting other benefits that come from tax payer $'s.

I suppose you could, but it’s much easier to extend those benefits with a few minor changes to the wording in the law of marriage than it is to set up a whole parallel civil framework.

Gay marriage doesn’t benefit the state so why should the state care.

Opposite-sex marriage doesn’t benefit the state either.

what happened to separation between church and state?

Separation of church and state speaks in favour of same-sex marriage, not against it. I’d be interested to hear your argument otherwise.

Let them give each other their own money/benefits but don’t reward them for their union. This article is what convinced me: tech.mit.edu/V124/N5/kolasinski.5c.html

Funny, I know plenty of same-sex couples with kids. Same-sex parented families exist. Our choice isn’t to encourage them or eradicate them; it’s to protect them as we protect other families, or not.

 

[WillieWonka]

‘You told us pictures of gays in books constituted forcing an ideology down citizens throats. So, do pictures of Catholic priests in books force ideology down citizens throats?’

a PICTURE of a gay person doesnt force homosexuality down anyones throat…no…

but declaring June as ‘National LGBT month’ does…just like during the ‘African American’ month we have to celebrate Martin Luther King, next year do I have to look forward to celebrating people with a different sex life?? lol…thats something worth celebrating??? I mean, wether you agree with it or not, we need to take a month out and celebrate someones sex life??? and how are they going to handle that in the schools?? by reading materials, learning about homosexual things…

I just dont see why?? I mean, a kid has to know how a man and woman has sex, or their reproductive system for obvious reasons…but why go into homosexual acts??? what do they have to learn from it?? its POINTLESS. learning how homosexual people have sex is in NO WAY going to benefit my child. all its going to do is 1. let he/she know how they do it ((great…)) or 2. make her think its ok, and maybe open a door up for her ((NO THANX…))

Did you celebrate in February? June? I didn’t. How come you were forced and I wasn’t? What happened to you? Who forced you? How did they di it?

 

[tjm190]

Did you celebrate in February? June? I didn’t. How come you were forced and I wasn’t? What happened to you? Who forced you? How did they di it?

I believe he was stating that such a month was an endorsement by the state, assuming it was actually declared by the state- if so, it was very poorly publicized.

 

[WillieWonka]

I believe he was stating that such a month was an endorsement by the state, assuming it was actually declared by the state- if so, it was very poorly publicized.

And that endorsement was offered as an example of how an ideology is being forced down our throats.

I doubt June was endorsed by the state as national gay month. I’d love to know what government body did it. If they did, it it would be great material to have.

Who knew June was being forced down their throat as a gay month?

 

[mkingdomlvr]

And that endorsement was offered as an example of how an ideology is being forced down our throats.

I doubt June was endorsed by the state as national gay month. I’d love to know what government body did it. If they did, it it would be great material to have.

Who knew June was being forced down their throat as a gay month?

I know that June is Gay Pride Month, because I live in central florida. Every year gay people come to Orlando, book a bunch of hotel rooms and go to the theme parks wearing red shirts. I have friends that work at the parks and at the local hotels and they LOVE gay days because of the money that comes in. That $$ helps a lot of people keep jobs and pay bills. Also, they say that the folks are very nice and cause zero problems, unlike the spring break college crowd.

and yes, every year we get protesters with their signs about how evil the gay people are and how God hates them, but that group seems to get smaller every year. They don’t even make the papers or the evening news anymore.

 

[WillieWonka]

I know that June is Gay Pride Month, because I live in central florida. Every year gay people come to Orlando, book a bunch of hotel rooms and go to the theme parks wearing red shirts. I have friends that work at the parks and at the local hotels and they LOVE gay days because of the money that comes in. That $$ helps a lot of people keep jobs and pay bills. Also, they say that the folks are very nice and cause zero problems, unlike the spring break college crowd.

and yes, every year we get protesters with their signs about how evil the gay people are and how God hates them, but that group seems to get smaller every year. They don’t even make the papers or the evening news anymore.

Drat. I missed it, and didn’t even know it was being shoved down my throat. I’ll have to redouble my efforts to find what ideologies are being shoved down my throat. I have a right to know.

 

[Charlotte408]

yeah…you missed it…

and its not just ‘gay pride month’…its a NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED month now…it’ll be on our calendars…incorporated into our school programs, just like MLK and other stuff is in schools during African american months…

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary

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For Immediate Release June 1, 2009

LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, AND TRANSGENDER PRIDE MONTH, 2009

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BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
A PROCLAMATION

Forty years ago, patrons and supporters of the Stonewall Inn in New York City resisted police harassment that had become all too common for members of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community. Out of this resistance, the LGBT rights movement in America was born. During LGBT Pride Month, we commemorate the events of June 1969 and commit to achieving equal justice under law for LGBT Americans.

LGBT Americans have made, and continue to make, great and lasting contributions that continue to strengthen the fabric of American society. There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities. LGBT Americans also mobilized the Nation to respond to the domestic HIV/AIDS epidemic and have played a vital role in broadening this country’s response to the HIV pandemic.

Due in no small part to the determination and dedication of the LGBT rights movement, more LGBT Americans are living their lives openly today than ever before. I am proud to be the first President to appoint openly LGBT candidates to Senate-confirmed positions in the first 100 days of an Administration. These individuals embody the best qualities we seek in public servants, and across my Administration – in both the White House and the Federal agencies – openly LGBT employees are doing their jobs with distinction and professionalism.

The LGBT rights movement has achieved great progress, but there is more work to be done. LGBT youth should feel safe to learn without the fear of harassment, and LGBT families and seniors should be allowed to live their lives with dignity and respect.

My Administration has partnered with the LGBT community to advance a wide range of initiatives. At the international level, I have joined efforts at the United Nations to decriminalize homosexuality around the world. Here at home, I continue to support measures to bring the full spectrum of equal rights to LGBT Americans. These measures include enhancing hate crimes laws, supporting civil unions and Federal rights for LGBT couples, outlawing discrimination in the workplace, ensuring adoption rights, and ending the existing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy in a way that strengthens our Armed Forces and our national security. We must also commit ourselves to fighting the HIV/AIDS epidemic by both reducing the number of HIV infections and providing care and support services to people living with HIV/AIDS across the United States.

These issues affect not only the LGBT community, but also our entire Nation. As long as the promise of equality for all remains unfulfilled, all Americans are affected. If we can work together to advance the principles upon which our Nation was founded, every American will benefit. During LGBT Pride Month, I call upon the LGBT community, the Congress, and the American people to work together to promote equal rights for all, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. I call upon the people of the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere it exists.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of June, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-third.

BARACK OBAMA

whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Presidential-Proclamation-LGBT-Pride-Month/

how is it being forced down our throats?? well, if my daughter sits this month out…will she fail her class?

 

[Charlotte408]

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this first day of June, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-third.

BARACK OBAMA

Oh my…I just noticed this…how sad…in the year of our Lord…in which we adamantly defy Him…

Oh wait, I forgot, the Lord, religion…our values…beliefs…its all subjective…so…the ‘Lord’ he could be referring to could be…Lord Valtimor from Harry Potter!! woo hooo!!

 

[Charlotte408]

why do they include the Lord into these matters…if…he doesnt matter…in these matters…drives me crazy…

 

[mkingdomlvr]

why do they include the Lord into these matters…if…he doesnt matter…in these matters…drives me crazy…

I would rather they did not include God in matters of state as well.

However, this is also very true:

LGBT Americans have made, and continue to make, great and lasting contributions that continue to strengthen the fabric of American society. There are many well-respected LGBT leaders in all professional fields, including the arts and business communities.

How dare those people want to live their lives without being discriminated against, beaten or killed simply because of it? The nerve…

 

[Charlotte408]

How dare those people want to live their lives without being discriminated against, beaten or killed simply because of it? The nerve…

no one is implying that these people should be discriminated against, beaten…or killed huney…but marriage, unfortunatey for some, is between a man and a woman…not a man and a man…a woman and a woman…or a man and a horse…period. a man and a woman.