Defense posts George Zimmerman photo from night of Trayvon Martin shooting

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No it isn’t good that a person was slandered and suffered as a consequence.

But it’s the price we pay for having freedom of speech on issues like this.
Free speech has never included the right to slander and lie with impunity. Every freedom comes with responisibility. Free speech also entail accountability for deliberate abuse of that freedom. No responsible journalist ever need worry about this lawsuit. Only those who attempt to use their position to spread malicious lies need worry.

It will not be thrown out. One has a right to restitution for deliberate slander.
 
Free speech has never included the right to slander and lie with impunity. Every freedom comes with responisibility. Free speech also entail accountability for deliberate abuse of that freedom. No responsible journalist ever need worry about this lawsuit. Only those who attempt to use their position to spread malicious lies need worry.

It will not be thrown out. One has a right to restitution for deliberate slander.
Actually it does.

Who is going to enforce when words spoken are slanderous or a lie?

The government can easily make these claims as was done in Soviet Russia and China.

If you don’t desire that we head in the direction they did, then you have to allow all free speech, even when it’s a lie.

The lie itself will silence the guilty, not the government or law suits, which lawyers could care less about the truth.

Jim
 
Actually it does.

Who is going to enforce when words spoken are slanderous or a lie?

The government can easily make these claims as was done in Soviet Russia and China.
This is a very bad comparison. It has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You are talking about criminalizing speech. What is happening here is an attempt at civil restitution. This is no slipper slope. It is a different hillside. Who “enforces” it? Why, the jury would, if it goes to trial. They determine if a deliberate act by a corporation results in an injury to a third party.

Government agencies, industries, businesses, homeowners, etc., are liable for injury to others. The idea that media corporations should be exempt is absurd.

Fortunately, what you are wanting will never be law here. Letting anyone hurt other people with falsehoods and lies in the name of free speech is as scary as limiting free speech. In this country, we recognize that it is possible to have both free speech and accountability for liablous slander. If this limits some pretend journalist by not allowing them to lie and make stuff up about others, I do not see that as a bad thing.
 
I don’t get it. How was he behaving oddly? The boy was simply talking on the phone while heading home.

Zimmerman claimed that Martin was “running” in the rain. That it wasn’t like someone exercising in the rain bla bla bla. According to Zimmerman, that wasn’t normal. (Although it was normal for him to follow Martin in the same rain. :rolleyes:)

Then he later admitted that Martin wasn’t actually running.

Hmmm, so how then was he suspicious?
I have not read anything other than speculation on the behavor of Trayvon Martin which prompted Zimmerman to make the call. He said on the phone that the young man was behaving oddly but gave no details. The transcript of Zimmerman’s 911 call indicated that he was not at first sure of Martin’s race; given that it was dark and apparently rainy, that is not too surprising.
 
But the two convicting parts of the 911 call are, the answer by Zimmerman that he was in fact following the suspect, and was told not to.

Also, Trever Martin’s own call stated that he was being followed.

Obviously, the jury is going to hear more than what we have for information in this forum, but those two issues alone could convict Zimmerman.

Jim
 
Actually the whole conversation about following Trayvon is moot.
  1. I have right to watch follow video or ask someone questions. Just like a reporter can… No laws against any of that as long as I have a legal right to be on the property, be it public or private.
  2. If you don’t like me following or don’t want engage by answering my question. You can say so, walk away, or call 911… But you cannot attack me knock me down and beat my face to a pulp.
  3. GZ will win this. FL cannot PROVE that GZ did NOT fear severe bodily harm at the moment he pulled the trigger on Trayvon. Can’t be done. And that what must be done to convict.
Trayvons lack of self-control was the problem that night.
 
  1. I have right to watch follow video or ask someone questions. Just like a reporter can… No laws against any of that as long as I have a legal right to be on the property, be it public or private.
No one has the right to be a vigilante. Zimmerman violated the Neighborhood Watch guidelines, ignored the police dispatcher, and initiated a confrontation.
  1. If you don’t like me following or don’t want engage by answering my question. You can say so, walk away, or call 911… But you cannot attack me knock me down and beat my face to a pulp…
If a strange man is following you, shouting at you, and approaches you with a gun then you have the right to do anything in your power to defend yourself from that hostile action.
  1. GZ will win this. FL cannot PROVE that GZ did NOT fear severe bodily harm at the moment he pulled the trigger on Trayvon. Can’t be done. And that what must be done to convict.
The stand your ground law doesn’t work that way. You can’t aggressively pursue and confront someone with a gun then claim you had the right to shoot them because they were defending themselves.
 
But the two convicting parts of the 911 call are, the answer by Zimmerman that he was in fact following the suspect, and was told not to.

Also, Trever Martin’s own call stated that he was being followed.

Obviously, the jury is going to hear more than what we have for information in this forum, but those two issues alone could convict Zimmerman.

Jim
It will take more than “he was following him” to convict him on 2nd degree murder. The State has to meet all of the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt AND convince 12 people of of it.

The State is overreaching in this case. If they truly wanted a conviction, they would have went for manslaughter and not 2nd degree murder.
 
It will take more than “he was following him” to convict him on 2nd degree murder. The State has to meet all of the elements of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt AND convince 12 people of of it.

The State is overreaching in this case. If they truly wanted a conviction, they would have went for manslaughter and not 2nd degree murder.
No doubt they overcharged him. at the most it was involuntary manslaughter and even that would be a hard case to make.
 
So, a man with a gun follows a person, making that person suspicious of the gunman’s intent, and a fight breaks out, the gun man then kills the person he was following, and some how gets away with it?

Jim
 
So, a man with a gun follows a person, making that person suspicious of the gunman’s intent, and a fight breaks out, the gun man then kills the person he was following, and some how gets away with it?

Jim
Yes, that does happen. It is the State’s job to make sure the charges fit the crime and to do their job correctly so that criminals don’t walk.

Would you rather give the government free reign to be judge, jury & executioner? I certainly wouldn’t.
 
No one has the right to be a vigilante. Zimmerman violated the Neighborhood Watch guidelines, ignored the police dispatcher, and initiated a confrontation.
He broke no law, There had been several break-ins and he was watching someone to see what they were up to. The dispatcher said he didn’t “have” to follow Zimmerman. GZ was returning top his truck when Trayvon attacked him.
If a strange man is following you, shouting at you, and approaches you with a gun then you have the right to do anything in your power to defend yourself from that hostile action.
Sorry…. GZ wasn’t shouting and he did not reveal that he had a gun until he was on his back…
The stand your ground law doesn’t work that way. You can’t aggressively pursue and confront someone with a gun then claim you had the right to shoot them because they were defending themselves.
Sorry he didn’t aggressively pursue anyone.

Instead a drugged up gansta that had been drinking “Purple Lean” and that had adopted the Twitter account name of “No_Limit_Ni66a” attacked him, straddled him and was beating him.

The SYG law applies here perfectly.
 
Yes, that does happen. It is the State’s job to make sure the charges fit the crime and to do their job correctly so that criminals don’t walk.

Would you rather give the government free reign to be judge, jury & executioner? I certainly wouldn’t.
Government is responsible for enforcing the law, not armed civilians with an agenda outside of morality.

Jim
 
The Defense attorney disagrees and isn’t using a SYG defense. They are going with a standard self-defense.
The prosecution just needs to prove GZ did not fear great bodily harm the moment he pulled ten trigger
That’s all…. LOL
 
The prosecution just needs to prove GZ did not fear great bodily harm the moment he pulled ten trigger
That’s all…. LOL
Oh, the prosecution doesn’t have to go that far, they just have to prove that Zimmerman didn’t have to get involved with an exchange with Martin and could’ve just stayed away from Martin until the cops showed up.

Jim
 
Oh, the prosecution doesn’t have to go that far, they just have to prove that Zimmerman didn’t have to get involved with an exchange with Martin and could’ve just stayed away from Martin until the cops showed up.

Jim
So Zimmerman should hsve allowed Martin to beat him as long as he wanted to?
 
Government is responsible for enforcing the law, not armed civilians with an agenda outside of morality.

Jim
Nope it’s not govts job to protect me.
As a matter of fact its been ruled in several courts that the police have “no duty” to do so. That’s my responsiblity.
If you believe someone is following you should attack them? If you see someone following you holding a gun which GZ wasn’t doing) - you advise to attack them?

That’s amazing stuff.
 
So Zimmerman should hsvecalloed Zimmerman to beat him as long as he wanted to?
Huh?

The defense merely has to show that Zimmerman didn’t have to follow Martin.

Self defense means you have an out, but couldn’t take it.

Jim
 
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