deficiences in other churches

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nhylan,
Why is my 1st sentence a silly argument ? Because you can’t defend your own moral relativism ?Even if there are Catholics on this site who believe Anglican Orders are valid , it only proves their error ! That’s right , error ! There are probably Catholics on this site who believe abortion , contraception, and euthanasia are just swell ( moral ) , SO WHAT ? Heterodoxy is still heterodoxy ! You say you can prove Anglican orders are valid , but you actually don’t . I don’t blame you , that’s more heavy lifting that anyone should have to do . When are yoy going to learn that “denial” is an acronym for :
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Anglicanism was flawed from the very beginning and you don’t know how to extricate yourself from that predicament without denying it’s hetrodoxy. I feel your pain . How did Newman respond to your claim ?

 

[pablope]

The first sentence is a silly argument, the same could be said of you. [SIGN]The Catholic reasons for Anglican’s having invalid orders are completely, first off, wrong. [/SIGN]If you knew anything about the issue besides what Catholic.com says you might not be so swift to discount Anglican orders. There are even Catholics on this site that believe Anglicans do have holy orders. I could continue to argue about female priests but we won’t get anywhere. I can show you all my evidence that says you can have female priests and then you can give me all your evidence to the contrary and we won’t ever convince the other.

Just a question…How do you know they are wrong?

So, a worldly king decides to create his own religion/church to get his way, appointing his own bishops, thereby cutting the apostolic connection, did the right thing, in your eyes?

 

[AmateurPianist]

In another thread this statement was made which was getting away from OP

My question is
How are non catholic churches deficient?

be specific

thank you

I must be really weird because I am not looking for deficiencies in other churches,

I first am foremost worried about deficiencies in my own life.

If I have time for anything else I am worried about deficiencies in my own congregation.

Are we really being salt and light to our surrounding communities as Jesus want us to be. Since we fall far short, I would say my very own congregation is deficient in being what Jesus wants us to be.

So if that is the case, then the law of specks and logs rules. We are called to remove the logs from our own eyes as a congregation before we worry about the specks in the church next door.

So whatever deficiencies exist in the other churches in my community is really none of my concern. My concern is being an influence where I am called to be so that we can be all that Jesus wants us to be in our community.

the Lord Jesus will take care of the “other churches”.

 

[guanophore]

I must be really weird because I am not looking for deficiencies in other churches,

I first am foremost worried about deficiencies in my own life.

If I have time for anything else I am worried about deficiencies in my own congregation.

Are we really being salt and light to our surrounding communities as Jesus want us to be. Since we fall far short, I would say my very own congregation is deficient in being what Jesus wants us to be.

So if that is the case, then the law of specks and logs rules. We are called to remove the logs from our own eyes as a congregation before we worry about the specks in the church next door.

So whatever deficiencies exist in the other churches in my community is really none of my concern. My concern is being an influence where I am called to be so that we can be all that Jesus wants us to be in our community.

the Lord Jesus will take care of the “other churches”.

I agree with you. The only concern I have is where can I best be supported in my walk to be more like Jesus. For me, that is in the Church founded by Christ. How am I to know which one it is? I read the Scriptures, and I look at history to help me.

“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

Now, if I am part of an ecclesial community that does not recognize the authority of the Apostles being passed on to the Bishops, then I think something is lacking.

If I am part of a community that does not celebrate a valid Eucharist, then I may not have life within me.