Defining what being a racist is

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Can a person say racist-type things and act like a racist without actually being a racist?
Prior to his election, President Trump said some horrible things about Mexicans.
During the Charlottesville white nationalist gathering, President Trump did not denounce what those people were saying.
Trump has spoken of some people being from s***hole countries.
Now, he has trashed four congresswomen with some racially-charged tweets.
How would you define a racist?
 
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Mexico is a country, not a race. Mexicans can be white, Mestizo, black, Amerindian or anything else. However, the term “racist” can also include people who discriminate on the basis of race, religion, or ethnicity. Trump did say some rather rude things about American Indians…in the early mid 90s. I am not sure why something someone said twenty some odd years ago should still be held against them. I am not sure what he said about Mexicans, but, if you are getting your news from CNN or MSNBC, keep in mind those channels have both misquoted the Pope. Heck, the BBC doesn’t seem to know anything about American politics or Catholicism.
 
Can a person say racist-type things and act like a racist without actually being a racist?
Also, you need to define what “racist type things” means.

If I said “all x are thieves and they beat their wives” that would be racist.

If you’re referring to the “go back where you came from”, I’m not seeing that as racist, and here’s why.

He didn’t walk up to four ladies of non-European descent who were just standing around on a street corner or a coffee shop, totally minding their own business and say “go back where you came from”. With no provocation whatsoever. That would be very rude and definitely racist overtones, like you’re not welcome here because of where you were born.

No.

These women, his political opponents, have been going on and on with their nonstop ranting and tone deaf and at least in the case of one of them was openly anti Semitic, and gave them a verbal comeback.

The ladies weren’t innocent victims who were attacked out of the blue for no apparent reason.

I think there were rude people on both sides.
 
Those women speak the same type of bullying language as Trump does. And they always look angry and ready “to kill” (as a metaphor) anyone opposing them. It was just a matter of time before Trump said something nasty about them and they would fight back and he would say he’s not taking it back.
This is normal.
We used to behave like that in kindergarden a lot. See the upside of the situation - all parties involved in this debate are deeply in touch with their inner child. 👶👶👶👶👶
 
It has been known for years that “Go back to where you came from” is a racist line of words. These four women all were born in America. So he was attacking their ethnicity. Trump dislikes Elizabeth Warren, but he would not tell her to go back to where she came from. Why? She is caucasian.
Trump loves to call people names. He is a trouble maker. Not a problem solver.
He locks up children whose only crime was to follow their parents into this country.
I wonder what the situation would be if it were Germany located on our southern border, instead of Mexico? The people trying to get into America illegally would be mostly caucasian-looking folks.
 
Those women have attacked Trump’s political policies, not his ethnicity or background. They have not said, if he does not like what they say that he should go back to Germany.
 
I never said the four women had not spoken out against Trump. But they did not say things that would be offensive to his background or family.
Saying for someone to go back where they came from is a racist line. This is the sort of thing one might hear at a White supremacy rally or a Ku Klux Klan rally.
It is an un-American type thing to say.
 
I would suggest that the word “racist” is not appropriate. I do not think Trump cares one iota what “race” these women belong to.

I think a lot of people use the word “racist” when perhaps they really mean something closer to “xenophobic”. Xenophobes don’t like people who are foreigners and/or have “foreign ideas”, even if they come from the same racial background as themselves.

I do not think Trump cares much about race. But he does care about the cultural background of these women because he considers their ideas to be incompatible with his American ideals.
 
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Yes it was racist to say that.

Where they came from should not enter the conversation. Not if they’re 1st generation or 2nd or 3rd. People from all over the world have views about all sorts of things. We are - for the moment - a cosmopolitan society and people from materially poorer places need not be ashamed of where they come from.

Intending a remark to be racist is not a qualifier for whether a remark is racist. The official position of the KKK is that they aren’t racist. They’re just protecting their heritage. They are nonetheless a deeply racist group.
 
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A racist is someone who does not recognize the equal dignity of persons.

Catechism

1935 The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:

Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God’s design.
 
But they are Americans, and three of them were born in the US. The only reason he can say “Go back to where you came from” is because they’re a different race to him. He wouldn’t have said the same thing to a white person.
 
During the Charlottesville white nationalist gathering, President Trump did not denounce what those people were saying.
I would call this statement racist.

I watched part of the rally and support Trump, but now it seems you have racially profiled me and those like me as a “white nationalist”. The liberal left has made known that a nationalist is a derogatory name for people who choose (wisely) to not believe the way the left tells them to.

So are you a racist?
 
A racist is someone who does not recognize the equal dignity of persons.
Absolutely agree.

However I think the word “racist” refers to a subset of the people who discriminate as described in 1935 of the Catechism rather than everyone who so discriminates.
 
The official position of the KKK is that they aren’t racist. They’re just protecting their heritage. They are nonetheless a deeply racist group.
Yes. And the KKK goes beyond simple racism. They are also prejudiced against religion.
 
I think the term “racist,” like the charge of “discrimination,” has been tossed-around and overused for political advantage so much that it is no longer useful in meaningful discussion. It has become just a card to be played. Which is not to say that true racial discrimination doesn’t exist, but the way to combat it is not to accuse anyone who disagrees politically with a person of color of being “racist,” which is pretty much what’s happening today.

I saw an Internet posting today that said “White people love dogs because they miss owning slaves.” I happen to thing that is an incredibly racist statement, but because it targets white people, its author would never be accused of racism.
 
You can define a racist however you want. You want to call Trump racist? Go ahead. Does that make you feel better?
 
Those women have attacked Trump’s political policies, not his ethnicity or background. They have not said, if he does not like what they say that he should go back to Germany.
What would really be funny is to tell him to go back to Sweden and then come back and tell us how they do it, since their happiness index is so high, lol.
(He falsely claimed in The Art of the Deal that his grandfather was from Sweden.)
I think the term “racist,” like the charge of “discrimination,” has been tossed-around and overused for political advantage so much that it is no longer useful in meaningful discussion.
This of course does not mean that no one is truly racist or that no one faces unjust discrimination.
I saw an Internet posting today that said “White people love dogs because they miss owning slaves.” I happen to thing that is an incredibly racist statement, but because it targets white people, its author would never be accused of racism.
I tried to explain to some high school students that while satire is not cruel when it is aimed by the weak at a ruling elite over their injustices and hypocrisy, even though it is cruel if the elite use it against the weak, racism does not depend on whether one belongs to a group that is in power or not.

I never cease to be amazed how people talk flippantly about poor whites as if they can be presumed to be to blame for not being prosperous in way that would never be tolerated if the comments were made about poor people of a different ethnic group. The truth is that the poor get the short end of the stick when it comes to opportunities for advancement and it is a false racial prejudice (ie racism) to fail to see this truism also applies to poor whites.
When everything is racist, nothing is racist.
That’s like the people who say “if everything is immoral, nothing is immoral,” implying that it must be the standards that are too strict rather than the overall level of morality that is too low.
You can define a racist however you want. You want to call Trump racist? Go ahead. Does that make you feel better?
Because it doesn’t matter what he says or does, it is still A-OK with you? I’m not sure what your point is, exactly, unless it is that standards of morality, ethics and civility do not apply to the President because, well, that is “just Trump being Trump.”

What was your point in saying that it doesn’t matter how racism is defined or whether or not the President is a racist rather than just an unusually blunt politician? I would think it matters a lot.
 
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