Definition of a "Catholic"

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I agree with others that the things you are saying are not Church teaching and could be confusing those reading the posts. Perhaps leading some astray.

Church teaching is when baptized, you are baptized in to the Catholic church and you become Catholic.
 
That’s fine. I agree. They are outwardly Catholic. I’m not arguing anymore. I see your point.

They are Catholic who are Baptized. And if they reject the Gospel, they are antichrist.

Im not saying we should not treat them without mercy and charity. On the contrary! Show them mercy!
 
It’s more than just outwardly catholic. they’re catholic, period. they’re adopted sons or daughters of God, which is a status that matters.

bokbok
 
rcwitness said:
They are outwardly Catholic.
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No, they are inwardly Catholic because it is inward change in their soul.

I don’t think I would call them antichrist. It could be out of poor catechesis they have not had the remaining sacraments and have fallen away.

Would you call a child who was baptized and waiting for the remaining sacraments, antichrist?
 
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furthermore, that verse from romans was talking about Pharisees who were hypocrites, not fallen away catholics who didn’t practice their faith anymore.

bokbok
 
rcwitness said:
They are Catholic who are Baptized. And if they reject the Gospel, they are antichrist.
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Oh my! Not just lapsed Catholics or sinner Catholics. Now we have to label them antichrists?

This thread has gone from strange to stranger!
 
1 John

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist , he who denies the Father and the Son.

every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God. This is the spirit of antichrist
 
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a person that falls away from practicing their faith doesn’t necessarily deny Christ’s divinity

also your effort to deny the catholicity of people because they’ve fallen away from the church is coming off a bit pharisean

bokbok
 
That is a Bible verse pulled out of context. Some people do not know Jesus nor had the remaining sacraments because of life’s circumstances that lead to poor catechesis. It is about knowledge, not about being evil.
 
yeah but you’re saying that people who fall away are anti-christs when they may not deny Christ’s divinity. I have no idea why you think that verse applies. just because someone may sin doesn’t mean they deny Christ’s divinity.

bokbok
 
so according to your logic: those who sin deny jesus

so you sin since we all sin

so you’re the antichrist

bokbok?
 
I private messaged you but since you didn’t respond, what are you trying to accomplish by arguing this?

bokbok
 
You want to Teach the truth? Why only teach the pleasant parts? Baptism is beautiful, I brought my children to Baptism, and I share the faith with them and pray with them. I teach them to love.

But rejecting the Gospel has consequences. Rejecting Jesus is the spirit of antichrist. Be honest. And have mercy.
 
Just because you think something is church teaching doesn’t mean it is. I’m going to private message you because you’re doing a great amount of harm to those who don’t know the faith and don’t know what we’re talking about.

bokbok
 
rcwitness said:
Be honest
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I am being honest. You’re the one taking bible verses out of context to try to explain your point which honestly makes little sense and is off topic. There are 20 posters here and everyone here is disagreeing with you

bokbok
 
You must not have read anything I wrote. I told you earlier that just because someone sins doesn’t make them the antichrist. Sinning does not mean that a person denies the divinity of Christ. Even satan doesn’t deny the divinity of Christ.

Again for the 100th time, you’re off topic. This is about the definition of a catholic. How you aren’t banned already is beyond me.

bokbok
 
rcwitness said:
Can a Baptized Catholic be an antichrist?
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That is way out there. Infants are baptized and then it is several years before they receive the remaining sacraments. Are they antichrists? I think and hope you would agree, no.
Many adult Catholics were baptized as infants and their parents never had them receive the remaining sacraments. Are they antichrists? No
 
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