Definition of Marriage?

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Dictionaries simply report how people use certain words. And it’s certainly true that some people use “marriage” in the context of same-sex relationships. Heck, I even heard same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the U.S.
 
Ahh…is it definition #2 (same sex marriage) that you are upset about?

As long as it is allowed/accepted in society I guess Webster will publish a definition:o
 
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Ahimsa:
Dictionaries simply report how people use certain words. And it’s certainly true that some people use “marriage” in the context of same-sex relationships. Heck, I even heard same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the U.S.
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I disagree, dictionaries are for people who don’t know the definitions of certain words, and need to learn their proper meanings. Ignorant people can’t learn the proper meanings of words if they are influencing the definitions.
 
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Ahimsa:
Dictionaries simply report how people use certain words. And it’s certainly true that some people use “marriage” in the context of same-sex relationships. Heck, I even heard same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the U.S.
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Of course it’s legal in parts of the US. Where have you been?
 
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Knight003:
I disagree, dictionaries are for people who don’t know the definitions of certain words, and need to learn their proper meanings. Ignorant people can’t learn the proper meanings of words if they are influencing the definitions.
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If you haven’t noticed by now, there is a difference between the Church and the world. We believe different things and we define words in different ways. A good example is the word freedom. The Church has one definition and the world (especially neo-cons) has another. Same with the word love.

The U.S. is not, despite what some people think, a “Christian nation.” Better get used to it.
 
Hmmm, I don’t really see anything wierd about this. Its a secular definition of how the word is used and (probably) defined by law. If that upsets you then I wouldn’t recommend looking up Jesus Christ on wikipedia.org.
 
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Knight003:
I disagree, dictionaries are for people who don’t know the definitions of certain words, and need to learn their proper meanings. Ignorant people can’t learn the proper meanings of words if they are influencing the definitions.
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Ahh so you say dictionaries should be prescriptive rather than descriptive. It’s an old debate. And the descriptive side has won, dictionaries document the current state of language.
 
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Ahimsa:
Dictionaries simply report how people use certain words. And it’s certainly true that some people use “marriage” in the context of same-sex relationships. Heck, I even heard same-sex marriage is legal in some parts of the U.S.
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I COULD NOT EVEN FIND ONE WORD IN THE ABOVE DEFINITION THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE TO DEFINING MARRIAGE.
 
Many different types of relationships are called marriage. There are many definitions and descriptions for these relationships. Some have little to do with each other, but they all go by the same name. The dictionary simply treis to present the common elements, and we can see there are very few.
 
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Knight003:
I can’t believe this, check out the Merriam-Webster Online’s definition of marriage.

m-w.com/dictionary/Marriage
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Check out the Catholic definition of marriage:
MARRIAGE., defn; As a natural institution, the lasting union of a man and a woman who agree to give and receive rights over each other for the performance of the act of generation and for the fostering of their mutual love.
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The state of marriage implies four chief conditions: 1. there must be a union of opposite sexes; it is therefore opposed to all forms of unnatural, homosexual behavior; 2. it is a permanent union until the death of either spouse; 3. it is an exclusive union, so that extramarital acts are a violation of justice; and 4. its permanence and exclusiveness are guaranteed by contract; mere living together, without mutually binding themselves to do so, is concubinage and not marriage.
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Christ elevated marriage to a sacrament of the New Law. Christian spouses signify and partake of the mystery of that unity and fruitful love which exists between Christ and his Church, helping each other attain to holiness in their married life and in the rearing and education of their children.
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http://www.therealpresence.org/dictionary/adict.htm
 
I prefer the Catholic definition; everything else seems more like a civil union than rising to the level of the Sacrament of Marriage. The actual point I was making, is in the debate over same-sex “marriages” one hears the argument that a same-sex “marriage” can’t exist, because by definition marriage is between one man and one woman. Well apparently they now need a new argument.
 
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Knight003:
I prefer the Catholic definition; everything else seems more like a civil union than rising to the level of the Sacrament of Marriage. The actual point I was making, is in the debate over same-sex “marriages” one hears the argument that a same-sex “marriage” can’t exist, because by definition marriage is between one man and one woman. Well apparently they now need a new argument.
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Quite true. Language is a living thing and changes with the needs of the culture. In recent years the word “marriage” has expanded to include same sex couples.
 
This is why I think the catholic church should abandon the term Marriage.

This would prevent the concepts of civil marriage contracts to be mixed with the catholic sacrament of a holy matrimony

Wouldn’t it be great to say to someone, “No I am not married” I am “somthing else”

who cares about what the secularism defines marriage to be? I can get one of those from elvis drive throughs.

We should stay true to the christian concept that church and state should remain separate.

Christ knew full well that when we blur the lines (or let others blur them ) we run the risk of being traped.
 
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JamesG:
This is why I think the catholic church should abandon the term Marriage.

This would prevent the concepts of civil marriage contracts to be mixed with the catholic sacrament of a holy matrimony

Wouldn’t it be great to say to someone, “No I am not married” I am “somthing else”

who cares about what the secularism defines marriage to be? I can get one of those from elvis drive throughs.

We should stay true to the christian concept that church and state should remain separate.

Christ knew full well that when we blur the lines (or let others blur them ) we run the risk of being traped.
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I totally agree with this. If “marriage” is just a word, then instead of overloading the term, just make a new one. I will nominate:

Chezwazzered (= Catholic Married)
 
As well, the Pope said the union of a man and a woman is not a “casual sociological construction” and suggested that efforts to allow gay marriage “obscure the value and function of the legitimate family founded on matrimony.”
 
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precious_roy:
I totally agree with this. If “marriage” is just a word, then instead of overloading the term, just make a new one. I will nominate:

Chezwazzered (= Catholic Married)
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I recently got engaged to be Chezwazzered. I couldn’t believe she said yes, but when I got down on one knee, looked deep into her eyes and said “will you chezwazzer me” she just couldn’t refuse.

I like it. It just rolls off the tongue.
 
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Knight003:
I recently got engaged to be Chezwazzered. I couldn’t believe she said yes, but when I got down on one knee, looked deep into her eyes and said “will you chezwazzer me” she just couldn’t refuse.

I like it. It just rolls off the tongue.
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well at least you won’t have a bunch of homosexual activist threatening your church because they have the right to legally be chezwazzered under the law.

If you don’t offer legal marriages ( a public service) then you can’t be forced to do anything or have your charitable status revoked if you don’t

You also won’t have a bunch of people rushing to get chezwazzered in a catholic church just be cause it sounds like a good fantacy.
 
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JamesG:
well at least you won’t have a bunch of homosexual activist threatening your church because they have the right to legally be chezwazzered under the law.

If you don’t offer legal marriages ( a public service) then you can’t be forced to do anything or have your charitable status revoked if you don’t

You also won’t have a bunch of people rushing to get chezwazzered in a catholic church just be cause it sounds like a good fantacy.
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This would be very easy to implement. Priests would just give up their ability to witness a civil marriage. They do this now when they marry someone in the church.

In some European countries a couple goes to the state, gets a license, and gets married under civil law by signing a form. Then they go to the church and get married (or chewezzed) under the religious rules. I think that’s how it is done in Italy.
 
I already tell everyone that I would never be stupid enough to get married.

Of course then I tell them that I am only interested in holy matrimony

At that point only the good women I date stay around. 🙂

hmm… I wonder if the catholic church would let a couple reject a civil contract.

Just say to the priest, sorry we don’t support that secular document of evil.

the canadian one most likely says something like

gender #1 Male | Female
gender #2 Male | Female

what a wonderfull document to sign during the sacrament of marriage.
 
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