That is not my understanding of the Catholic faith. It is clearly a core doctrine of the faith that Gods “Existence” can in principle be known by reason alone. Even in the bible such is said.What are you talking about?You assume, because I cannot provide you with tangible proof that God exists I must not be a catholic?
Chrisitianity is a faith-based religion.
If you said, show me definitive proof of God’s existence and I will convert; I would say, I cannot. That’s all I meant…
If I could, trust me, I would show certain family members who ask me the same question. That’s the whole point. There was nothing to suggest that it came from a dog, but the second fly (the theist) made the blind assumption that it came from a dog because it was somehow obvious simply by looking at the turd.
Actually, what the theist flea concludes is that Something had to produce the excrement.
This is funny. You are using dog turd as an example. Is this what its come to?
This leads to a disgusting conclusion, oh God , please don’t say we’re you’re…
And what sweet excrement it is, no?
Well, then the atheist flea would be a smart atheist flea. And an honest one.Mmm what if the atheist flea said: “Supposing you’re right, it has to be something who produced the one who produced this turd.”
My husband was atheist and I used to pray for his conversion. One day a physicist came to town to promote his book “Genisis and the big bang” My husband suggested we attend a talk the author was giving, read the book and that was the beginning. He then went on to read another book by the same scientist and things began to happen. In the meantime there were lots of little miracles happening in our lives which fascinated my husband. He began to attend Mass with me and 11 years later he entered the Church. He is now a daily communicant and loves the Faith. What can I say? Just pray.Well, that isn’t the way he works. He gives us signs of his existence in nature, he also came in person ( the history of his unfolding plan of salvation as found in the Scriptures, which are historical facts open to all), and he works miracles even today, he has given us the example of the Saints, he has given us the wisdom of men like Augustine and Aquinas. He expects us to reflect on all this or what works for us to come to a knowledge of his existence and what he expects as a response. In other words, he expects us to take the hints, he isn’t going to hit us over the head with anything, he wants us to be free to either accept him or reject him. It is a test you see. How worthy are we? If we are honest, we will see the signs and come to the correct conclusions. Far too many people today think we are in a kind of game. No it is not a game, eternity is in the balance.
Cinette *My husband was atheist and I used to pray for his conversion. One day a physicist came to town to promote his book “Genisis and the big bang” My husband suggested we attend a talk the author was giving, read the book and that was the beginning. He then went on to read another book by the same scientist and things began to happen. In the meantime there were lots of little miracles happening in our lives which fascinated my husband. He began to attend Mass with me and 11 years later he entered the Church. He is now a daily communicant and loves the Faith. What can I say? Just pray.
By Gerald Schroder. I’ve actually got that book sitting on my shelf now. Got it when I was in high school.
The proof the atheists is probably actually asking for is empirical evidence. But empirical evidence can never proof existence of God. At most it could prove the existence of quite a powerful being, who claims it is god (and that only if the brain in a tank assumption is disregarded). And currently empirical evidence can of course not provide that either.
There could be other explanations, we don’t have to say a quick answer like “a dog did it”, but what is impressing is the claims of the theist flea, that the turt belongs to a specific dog out of the many possible dogs.And what sweet excrement it is, no?
Well, then the atheist flea would be a smart atheist flea. And an honest one.
I pretty much think that there really *couldn’t *be any other explanation for the fleas on the turd.
I mean, really, do you think that “This turd just happened because of random nitrogen and hydrogen sulfide particles” is a plausible and possible and intelligent conclusion?
There could be other explanations, we don’t have to say a quick answer like “a dog did it”, but what is impressing is the claims of the theist flea, that the turt belongs to a specific dog out of the many possible dogs.And what sweet excrement it is, no?
Well, then the atheist flea would be a smart atheist flea. And an honest one.
I pretty much think that there really *couldn’t *be any other explanation for the fleas on the turd.
I mean, really, do you think that “This turd just happened because of random nitrogen and hydrogen sulfide particles” is a plausible and possible and intelligent conclusion?
Would it be more acceptable to you if the theist flea says Someone did it? He doesn’t have to be specific and say that it was a dog.
The flea could also say that he or she doesn’t have complete knowledge of its origins.
That is avoiding this very, very obvious fact: it’s a very, very stupid flea that would say, “Well, this turd just randomly appeared from a conglomeration of nitrogen, hydrogen and sulphur et al”.
Isn’t it similar to the claims of the theist flea that the dog and the maker of the turt was made by his own, “just randomly appeared”, “out of nothing”?
Not at all. The analogy is that the turd is an analog to the universe.