Democratic Party Convention General Thread

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Sy_Noe said:
Sounds like both sets of voters will just be following Ted Cruz’s suggestion to vote our consciences even though that idea was booed at the RNC. 😃
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No doubt,my conscience tells me anyone but HC:thumbsup:
 
meltzerboy said:
Giuliani is not a conservative on the social issues. Neither is Bloomberg, or Trump for that matter.
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Trump is socially conservative. His views align with most of the GOP on those issues. He is hopefully going to save America from social liberalism.
 
anon67074017 said:
Trump is socially conservative. His views align with most of the GOP on those issues. He is hopefully going to save America from social liberalism.
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He says he is, but I don’t believe him. But at least Trump doesn’t claim to be “severely conservative” the way Romney did. Neither Giuliani nor Bloomberg make such claims, on which I think we agree.
 
gilliam said:
The fact that the Republicans have not helped the middle class is the reason for Trump’s rise in the party.

The middle class doesn’t really think Obama has helped them out these 7 years. If they did you wouldn’t see the following:

http://content.gallup.com/origin/ga...roduction/Cms/POLL/0tk6sbg5ikeut9uuhvtdeq.png
gallup.com/poll/1669/general-mood-country.aspx

If your desire is to help the Stock Market though, you don’t want Trump to win the election. The Market hates the unpredictable, and Trump, if nothing else, is unpredictable.
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From what I’ve seen, I have my suspicions as to whether a huge number of Trump supporters have been fans of Barack Obama from the get go. Yet here we are near the end of his 2 term Presidency and his approval has been hovering around 50%, a high at one point this month of 53%. Higher than even Ronald Reagan’s.

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

salon.com/2016/05/04/more_popular_than_reagan_the_press_refuses_to_give_obama_his_due_partner/
 
Sy_Noe said:
From what I’ve seen, I have my suspicions as to whether a huge number of Trump supporters have been fans of Barack Obama from the get go. Yet here we are near the end of his 2 term Presidency and his approval has been hovering around 50%, a high at one point this month of 53%. Higher than even Ronald Reagan’s.
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He is pretty average actually. Reagan was a little more popular at this point in office, but not by much. Bill Clinton was much more popular; but I think our economy was doing much better than it is now. “It’s the economy, stupid” is pretty accurate as far as presidential approval is concerned. It is also a pretty good indicator if the party in office will win or lose. Here are the numbers from Gallup:

Obama Term average to date 47%
Average for U.S. presidents 53% 1938-2016

Obama Most recent weekly average 49%
Average for elected presidents’ 30th quarter 46%

Other presidents in fourth July after re-election
George W. Bush 32 July 2008
Bill Clinton 58 July 2000
Ronald Reagan 53 July 1988
Lyndon Johnson 40 July 1968
Dwight Eisenhower 56 July 1960
Harry Truman 29 July 1952

Source: GALLUP
 
meltzerboy said:
He says he is, but I don’t believe him. But at least Trump doesn’t claim to be “severely conservative” the way Romney did. Neither Giuliani nor Bloomberg make such claims, on which I think we agree.
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MB, to be fair to Trump, it’s 2016. Give the guy a little slack on where he stands on social issues. Wait til 2017 if he is elected to see what he says and whether to believe him. Last yr in 2015, he seemed confused about what he was when he said he was pro choice. Then in the next breath said pro life.

washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/
 
gilliam said:
He is pretty average actually. Reagan was a little more popular at this point in office, but not by much. Bill Clinton was much more popular; but I think our economy was doing much better than it is now. “It’s the economy, stupid” is pretty accurate as far as presidential approval is concerned. It is also a pretty good indicator if the party in office will win or lose. Here are the numbers from Gallup:

Obama Term average to date 47%
Average for U.S. presidents 53% 1938-2016

Obama Most recent weekly average 49%
Average for elected presidents’ 30th quarter 46%

Other presidents in fourth July after re-election
George W. Bush 32 July 2008
Bill Clinton 58 July 2000
Ronald Reagan 53 July 1988
Lyndon Johnson 40 July 1968
Dwight Eisenhower 56 July 1960
Harry Truman 29 July 1952

Source: GALLUP
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Gallup is one poll. But you’re right about one thing. In July 2008 Reagan was at 50% about the same as Obama. And Reagan’s party went on to win the WH in Nov. And Obama has topped Reagan at points this month as well.

presidency.ucsb.edu/data/popularity.php?pres=40
 
Sy_Noe said:
Gallup is one poll. But you’re right about one thing. In July 2008 Reagan was at 50% about the same as Obama. And Reagan’s party went on to win the WH in Nov. And Obama has topped Reagan at points this month as well.

presidency.ucsb.edu/data/popularity.php?pres=40
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It is possible the Democrats will win this year.

As I said previously, it all depends on if the voters are happy with how the country is going and if they can trust Trump. If the voters think we are on the right track, then the Democrats will win. If the voters don’t and can live with Trump in the White House, then the Republicans will win.

Currently the voters DON’T think we are on the right track right now (even though they think Obama is a nice guy.) The voters also don’t like Hillary. And they don’t like Trump.

I think the campaigns boil down to two arguments:

Trump needs to convince the voters two things:
  1. He can be trusted with the office
  2. Hillary can’t
Hillary needs to convince the voters that:
  1. She can be trusted with the office
  2. Trump can’t
This will be an unusual campaign, especially since a bunch of people on both sides don’t trust their candidate.

I expect it to be a VERY negative campaign from both sides.
 
meltzerboy said:
He says he is, but I don’t believe him. But at least Trump doesn’t claim to be “severely conservative” the way Romney did. Neither Giuliani nor Bloomberg make such claims, on which I think we agree.
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As long as Trump keeps his word on Supreme Court appointments and exercises reasonably good management, I don’t much care what his personal ideology is, if he even has one.
 
What is with all the Democrats who do not understand that email is not a secure medium? Do we really want these people guarding vital national secrets? This is the same party that devised a plan to have the IRS play a big role in the healthcare system.
 
anon67074017 said:
Trump is socially conservative. His views align with most of the GOP on those issues. He is hopefully going to save America from social liberalism.
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But Trump said in his nomination speech, “As your president, I will do everything in my power to protect our LGBTQ citizens” and when many people at the Republican convention clapped, he said, “And I have to say as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said. Thank you.”

Also, one of the speakers at the Republican conventions was Peter Thiel who said in his speech that he is “proud to be gay, proud to be a Republican” and is supporting Donald Trump.
 
Thorolfr said:
But Trump said in his nomination speech that he’s going to protect the LGBTQ community and praised all the people at the convention who clapped when he said that. Also, one of the speakers at the Republican conventions was Peter Thiel who said that he is “proud to be gay, proud to be a Republican” and is supporting Donald Trump.
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Trump is a social moderate. I believe he’s pro-life, but I also believe he’s fine with gay marriage.
 
Thorolfr said:
But Trump said in his nomination speech that he’s going to protect the LGBTQ community and praised all the people at the convention who clapped when he said that. Also, one of the speakers at the Republican conventions was Peter Thiel who said that he is “proud to be gay, proud to be a Republican” and is supporting Donald Trump.
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Protecting the gay community from assults doesn’t necessarily mean an endorsement of the lifestyle.However,I don’t really believevTrump is a social conservative but I do believe he will do his best to return law and order to this great country of ours.Imalso believe he will do his best to give our military what they need and deserve and will get this country back to work,among other things:thumbsup:
 
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