Democratic Party Convention General Thread

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meltzerboy said:
Bernie promised them a political revolution, which, they know Hillary will never provide. Many of them are young, idealistic, and foolish. They’ll learn eventually.
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Oh come on, why the need to denigrate the young. And some of them aren’t that young. I voted for him. I’m in the middle, not a boomer, not a millennial.
 
Cider said:
Oh come on, why the need to denigrate the young. And some of them aren’t that young. I voted for him. I’m in the middle, not a boomer, not a millennial.
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I didn’t mean to denigrate them. It’s great to be young, idealistic, and foolish. I voted for Bernie too and I’m older than you. But we know better how to compromise…a little since we’ve lived more.
 
Cider said:
Oh come on, why the need to denigrate the young. And some of them aren’t that young. I voted for him. I’m in the middle, not a boomer, not a millennial.
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The point does stand however. A large number of Bernie supporters seem to believe some form of revolution was possible under Bernie. When it didn’t materialize, they have essentially thrown a tantrum and would rather cut off their nose to spite their face when it comes to their overall progressive goals. If it comes down to getting something or getting nothing, they seemingly have forgotten the truism that something is better than nothing. Because their promised revolution was like everything else in politics, a bunch of hot air.

I mean don’t get me wrong, I too voted for Sanders in the primaries. But I’m also a pragmatic realist. Given the choices we’re left with the only choice for anyone who voted for Sanders is clear, regardless of how distasteful it is to make. That or you don’t really believe in the progressive agenda of Sanders at all and you were quite literally a Sanders groupie.
 
meltzerboy said:
I didn’t mean to denigrate them. It’s great to be young, idealistic, and foolish. I voted for Bernie too and I’m older than you. But we know better how to compromise…a little since we’ve lived more.
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I feel like I’ve compromised in every election I’ve voted in since Perot. Perot was the last person I’ve voted for in the general that I actually supported. I’m hitting my limit with compromise.
 
Cider said:
I feel like I’ve compromised in every election I’ve voted in since Perot. Perot was the last person I’ve voted for in the general that I actually supported. I’m hitting my limit with compromise.
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And there in lies the ultimate problem. Politics is the art of compromise. It always has been, it’s how the whole damn system works. But in recent years both sides have been digging in like they’re on the Western Front in WW1. And the end result is the same as it was on the fields of Europe 100 years ago. Deadlock and death, only this time it’s going to be their parties if they’re not careful.
 
Padres1969 said:
The point does stand however. A large number of Bernie supporters seem to believe some form of revolution was possible under Bernie. When it didn’t materialize, they have essentially thrown a tantrum and would rather cut off their nose to spite their face when it comes to their overall progressive goals. If it comes down to getting something or getting nothing, they seemingly have forgotten the truism that something is better than nothing. Because their promised revolution was like everything else in politics, a bunch of hot air.

I mean don’t get me wrong, I too voted for Sanders in the primaries. But I’m also a pragmatic realist. Given the choices we’re left with the only choice for anyone who voted for Sanders is clear, regardless of how distasteful it is to make. That or you don’t really believe in the progressive agenda of Sanders at all and you were quite literally a Sanders groupie.
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I mostly voted for Sanders because I didn’t want Hillary to win the nomination and my state has an open primary that was going to be won by Cruz or Trump on the R side, neither of which I supported.

Neither party really represents me. I am staunchly pro life and I support broad social welfare programs. At the same time I support Hobby Lobby and Little Sisters of the Poor not having to pay for birth control or abortions. I believe that Dr’s that have religious objections shouldn’t be forced to rx RU486 or even birth control. I support homeschooling without reporting to any government agency. I don’t think that it’s legal for the feds to force people to purchase any product just because they are breathing, but I think everyone should have access to health care. Abortion is not health care though. I think women should get equal pay for equal work and that we should have paid maternity leave and disability ( not just SSDI). I also strongly support the second amendment. I also think we need term limits for every elected office and that congress shouldn’t be seen as a career but a short term service to your country.

I think that if you don’t like the law, you should work to change, not just decide to not enforce it like Obama does. I also think that congress needs to do it’s job, which means that we don’t wait 9 months for a new POTUS to at least put up someone for SCOTUS. The POTUS puts someone up and congress either approves or doesn’t but no sitting on your rear saying POTUS has no right to do their job. And congress not should be voting their own raises, nor should they pass legislation they never read.

Oh and stop stealing from social security trust fund and balance the darn budget. Stop spending money we don’t have. We shouldn’t be borrowing money from China to hand out in aid to other countries. I’m all for aid, but not if means we are borrowing from China to pay for it.
 
Cider said:
I feel like I’ve compromised in every election I’ve voted in since Perot. Perot was the last person I’ve voted for in the general that I actually supported. I’m hitting my limit with compromise.
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Thinking back to that famous debate hosted by Larry King (did you see it, and remember when Cher called in and conversed with and supported Perot?) between Perot and Gore, Perot was right, after all, about NAFTA, which was supported by both Bush, Sr. and Bill Clinton. We should have listened to Perot on that score. Now Trump says (I think) that he also opposed NAFTA. Of course, he has other views that are not so palatable to me.

As to compromise, it is generally the name of the game in politics. Even in 1968, many of us young whipper-snappers voted for Humphrey, who was not our ideal candidate, but still better than Nixon, we thought.
 
meltzerboy said:
I didn’t mean to denigrate them. It’s great to be young, idealistic, and foolish. I voted for Bernie too and I’m older than you. But we know better how to compromise…a little since we’ve lived more.
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I campaigned for McGovern in my first presidential election .
 
meltzerboy said:
Thinking back to that famous debate hosted by Larry King (did you see it, and remember when Cher called in and conversed with and supported Perot?) between Perot and Gore, Perot was right, after all, about NAFTA, which was supported by both Bush, Sr. and Bill Clinton. We should have listened to Perot on that score. Now Trump says (I think) that he also opposed NAFTA. Of course, he has other views that are not so palatable to me.

As to compromise, it is generally the name of the game in politics. Even in 1968, many of us young whipper-snappers voted for Humphrey, who was not our ideal candidate, but still better than Nixon, we thought.
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I don’t remember Larry King with Perot and Gore, I do remember a debate with Bill Clinton, Perot and Bush. I still remember who I watched it with and that they tried to get me to vote for Clinton.
 
meltzerboy said:
So, what happened?! No, don’t tell me; I already know. The Democratic Party left you. And now the Republican Party is also leaving, I’m afraid. Both of them have had a good run.
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What happened was Ronald Reagan
 
DeniseNY said:
I volunteered for Bill Clinton’s first term
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I was really mad at Clinton and the Republicans for the welfare changes they did. In fact I still don’t like Gingrich as a result. I remember watching it on c-span. I don’t like the lifetime limit because I don’t want people on the street and I feel the changes just encouraged abortions.
 
Oh,Oh! A commercial during the DNC was a “Come Home, Catholics” It was a well done commercial. I guess they figure they have their work cut out for them.
 
I’m guessing Trump will be tweeting about Al Franken within minutes.
 
Good_Tidings said:
Oh,Oh! A commercial during the DNC was a “Come Home, Catholics” It was a well done commercial. I guess they figure they have their work cut out for them.
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Glad I missed it.

For Catholics, the Dem party is no home, but a wilderness.
 
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