Democratic Party Convention General Thread

[DeniseNY]

His speech will be the greatest speech ever only until Hillary gives hers tonight. The truth is Obamas could’ve gotten on the podium last night , belched and farted, walked off and we would have people swooning today aboutv how brilliant his speech was. And brace yourself, we’re going to be hearing the same thing tomorrow about Hillary .

And it would go down as the best smelling fart in the history of the universe. There would be calls to bottle it as a perfume so people can be reminded of Obama when he’s gone/

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

As far as I can see your observations don’t seem to contradict my understanding of the rule about leaving the children of presidents alone. When George W. was running his twin daughters would have been 19 years old. For his second election they would have been 23. While there were plenty of people that disagreed with his politics I don’t recall his children being the target of political questions.

Which I am okay with, but why are the questions asked of Ivanka and Tiffany legitimate but the same questions posed to Chelsea Clinton are said to be “out of line” and “off limits?”

That’s the point. Today, Chelsea is afforded a courtesy that is not extended to Trump’s children.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I didn’t watch but I can only imagine the production as I have seen it before.The Dems as you said are all about appearance.They put on a good show ,beyond that they rarely follow through on their lofty promises.Somehow their base never seems to notice.Gotts wonder why that is.

when Hillary came on stage after Obama’s speech and pointed at him, there seemed to be a look between them - like she was realizing how Obama got her to this point. The meeting on the tarmac between Bill and Loretta Lynch, FBI director Comey laying out everything they found on Hillary related to her servers and e-mails and no charges. That look between them reeked of power and corruption.
The cameras would pan once in awhile to Bernie-another fall guy.
I just find it so scary how they see themselves as celebrities and can get up and ignore the real problems facing our country and paint such a rosy picture. These people are a real piece of work. Sad that this is what has become of the presidential office. Every time they showed Bill Clinton sitting in the audience, he appeared pompous. I find him so disgusting. I am not celebrating these people. Biden, Bloomberg, Obamas, Clintons are not heroes to me.

 

[Avdima]

Why, if it’s true? How much history do you know about the building of the WH? And many more people besides slaves were involved in the building of the WH.

Well for one its not true at all! And Bill O’Reilly’s ill informed statement just underscores the racist leanings and ignorance of the those supporting Trump.

If I said what O’Reilly said but in context of Jews during WWII.

“Sure many Jews were sent to their deaths in gas chambers but Mr Hitler by the goodness of his heart at least gave them free transportation on trains so they were well taken good of.”

 

[Maximilan_Kolbe]

Well for one its not true at all! **And Bill O’Reilly’s ill informed statement just underscores the racist leanings and ignorance of the those supporting Trump. **
If I said what O’Reilly said but in context of Jews during WWII.

“Sure many Jews were sent to their deaths in gas chambers but Mr Hitler by the goodness of his heart at least gave them free transportation on trains so they were well taken good of.”

Irrespective of any statement, this is one of the most ironic things I’ve read in a long time.

Your perception of what one man says underscores the racism of an entirely separate group of people? Since when does anyone person’s opinion speak to an entirely separate, disparate group of people?

What you are essentially saying is no better than someone making the statement “you blacks are all the same.” Come again?

And people wonder why the country is more divided than ever…

 

[7_Sorrows]

Which I am okay with, but why are the questions asked of Ivanka and Tiffany legitimate but the same questions posed to Chelsea Clinton are said to be “out of line” and “off limits?”

That’s the point. Today, Chelsea is afforded a courtesy that is not extended to Trump’s children.

because she is like royalty. I noticed how her husband kept staring at her throughout her Dad’s speech wanting to share a moment with her. She totally ignored him! Poor guy. It was sad to watch. He wasn’t there last night. With Chelsea, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Being a Clinton is a business and don’t stand in their way.

 

[gilliam]

Why, if it’s true? How much history do you know about the building of the WH? And many more people besides slaves were involved in the building of the WH.

Slaves were used to build the White House and the Capital building. That is history. Washington DC was located in the South and slaves were common there at the time and a lot of unskilled labor was performed by slaves. Keep in mind, this wasn’t unusual for the time and place, and many of the presidents were themselves slave owners.

I don’t know why this is coming as a surprise, and Mr. O’Reilly should apologize for what he said.

Here is some history:

The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings.

Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government’s quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President’s House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations.

whitehousehistory.org/questions/did-slaves-build-the-white-house

There is a picture there of payment to slave owners for the use of their slaves.

 

[mary_bobo]

Well for one its not true at all! And Bill O’Reilly’s ill informed statement just underscores the racist leanings and ignorance of the those supporting Trump.

If I said what O’Reilly said but in context of Jews during WWII.

“Sure many Jews were sent to their deaths in gas chambers but Mr Hitler by the goodness of his heart at least gave them free transportation on trains so they were well taken good of.”

And please give us some reference to your assertion that O’Reilly is ill-informed. He has written many books, non fiction, on a historical bent and he has a very well respected research partner. What research have you to offer us?

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

Slaves were used to build the White House and the Capital building. That is history. Washington DC was located in the South and slaves were common there at the time and a lot of unskilled labor was performed by slaves. Keep in mind, this wasn’t unusual for the time and place, and many of the presidents were themselves slave owners.

I don’t know why this is coming as a surprise, and Mr. O’Reilly should apologize for what he said.

Here is some history:

The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings.

Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government’s quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President’s House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations.

whitehousehistory.org/questions/did-slaves-build-the-white-house

There is a picture there of payment to slave owners for the use of their slaves.

Even if they were provided adequate housing and meals, it doesn’t change that they were still slaves. They could not quit their job, they didn’t get paid for their job, they could not make any decisions about their own lives.

 

[J_Peterson]

And please give us some reference to your assertion that O’Reilly is ill-informed. He has written many books, non fiction, on a historical bent and he has a very well respected research partner. What research have you to offer us?

How about the words of Abigail Adams?

According to O’Reilly:

Slaves that worked there were well-fed and had decent lodgings provided by the government, which stopped hiring slave labor in 1802.

It is unclear as to the sources O’Reilly consulted in support of this claim, but we do have an account by Abigail Adams, who shortly after occupying the house in 1800 shared her thoughts about slavery in a letter to Cotton Tufts. In it Adams characterizes twelve slaves working to remove a pile of dirt from in front of the White House as “half fed, and destitute of clothing.” This was not the first time she observed such conditions in the nation’s capital. It doesn’t take much digging to uncover similar accounts and O’Reilly fails to note the work that slaves carried out on other buildings that stretched beyond 1802.

From: Bill O’Reilly’s Benevolent Slaveowners

Taking part in slavery apologetics makes a person a racist. It’s not an opinion but a definition. Bill O’Reilly is a racist.

 

[zz912]

You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn’t been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted.

If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don’t have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump’s remarks and subsequent tweets.

1. His jab at Clinton assumes they already have the emails because she was using an unsecured server. He didn’t cause that, she did.
2. What is dangerous or irresponsible about Russia releasing emails about yoga and wedding plans? That is what Clinton said was contained in those 30k emails. She didn’t lie, did she?

 

[_Abyssinia]

How about the words of Abigail Adams?

Taking part in slavery apologetics makes a person a racist. It’s not an opinion but a definition. Bill O’Reilly is a racist.

Maybe he got it wrong about slaves being “well fed”, but I doubt by saying what he did, that he was proving a defence of slavery. If you state something about the conditions of how slaves were treated or their physician condition, it doesn’t mean it is necessarily a defence of slavery. He addressed the backlash to his comments:

 

[irishpatrick]

You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn’t been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted.

If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don’t have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump’s remarks and subsequent tweets.

Wait!

There was nothing in those emails to worry about, remember? Hillary assured us there was nothing in them–so why would we care if they are leaked to the entire world? Sure, it might be a bit embarrassing for Hillary, what with all the personal emails the world might see, but no state secrets, nothing classified, nothing to worry about all–just ask Hillary, she’ll tell you there’s nothing there, so no big deal at all.

As for Trump, he was clearly being sarcastic, and this is coming from a person who really just flat does not like him.

 

[mary_bobo]

Slaves were used to build the White House and the Capital building. That is history. Washington DC was located in the South and slaves were common there at the time and a lot of unskilled labor was performed by slaves. Keep in mind, this wasn’t unusual for the time and place, and many of the presidents were themselves slave owners.

I don’t know why this is coming as a surprise, and Mr. O’Reilly should apologize for what he said.

Here is some history:

The D.C. commissioners, charged by Congress with building the new city under the direction of the president, initially planned to import workers from Europe to meet their labor needs. However, response to recruitment was dismal and soon they turned to African American—enslaved and free—to provide the bulk of labor that built the White House, the United States Capitol, and other early government buildings.

Stonemason Collen Williamson trained enslaved people on the spot at the government’s quarry at Aquia, Virginia. Enslaved people quarried and cut the rough stone that was later dressed and laid by Scottish masons to erect the walls of the President’s House. The slaves joined a work force that included local white laborers and artisans from Maryland and Virginia, as well as immigrants from Ireland, Scotland, and other European nations.

whitehousehistory.org/questions/did-slaves-build-the-white-house

There is a picture there of payment to slave owners for the use of their slaves.

If what you say is true, I think O’Reilly should apologize also. But what good does it do to keep repeating history as if it is the same today. None of us can go back and undo what is in the past and many of us did not even have relatives in this country at the time. The only thing this accomplishes, IMO, to stir the fires of racism and resentment. We’ll never have a united country if we keep this up.

 

[_Abyssinia]

This is getting some attention. A Bernie Sanders delegate named Jeff Day is “not 100% sure”, but he is claiming there are paid seat fillers at the DNC: m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=836268536504115&id=100003629282944&_rdr

He could be wrong, but it’s interesting because there was a ad on Craiglist that was looking for actors for the DNC, and it was looked at on Snopes and they couldn’t verify its authenticity, whether it was fake or real. But the two things together… the ad and the delegate saying what he did, perhaps there are seat fillers?

 

[Jeanne_S]

when Hillary came on stage after Obama’s speech and pointed at him, there seemed to be a look between them - like she was realizing how Obama got her to this point. The meeting on the tarmac between Bill and Loretta Lynch, FBI director Comey laying out everything they found on Hillary related to her servers and e-mails and no charges. That look between them reeked of power and corruption.
The cameras would pan once in awhile to Bernie-another fall guy.
I just find it so scary how they see themselves as celebrities and can get up and ignore the real problems facing our country and paint such a rosy picture. These people are a real piece of work. Sad that this is what has become of the presidential office. Every time they showed Bill Clinton sitting in the audience, he appeared pompous. I find him so disgusting. I am not celebrating these people. Biden, Bloomberg, Obamas, Clintons are not heroes to me.

I agree with you entirely.That we as a nation have now devolved to this level.That the Clintons’ are being held up and lauded as an awesome example of leadership,etc.all the while overlooking the corrupt nature of their politics and lives as a whole is stunning and frightening.Really the fix is in,I believe.Voting is just an exercise n futility,sorry to say.All those who gloat and gleefully praise and support the evil that pervades our nation will rue the day.Unfortunately they will take the rest of us down with them I weep for our nation and what it has become.

 

[ARSpade]

You do realize that they are not the same set of emails? Clinton hasn’t been Secretary of State for 3 years. The DNC leak is recent from only this past year. In fact it seems that the White House might have also been targeted.

If this actually IS A Russian attack on US government servers, I don’t have enough adjectives to describe the irresponsibility of aTrump’s remarks and subsequent tweets.

It can’t be an attack on US government servers as Hillary’s emails were on a private server.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Any thread on politics is not complete without at least a half-dozen digs at Fox News.

Sorry, that’s “Faux News.”

 

[queenofheartscv]

It can’t be an attack on US government servers as Hillary’s emails were on a private server.

And it can’t be an attack on US government if the 30000 deleted emails were about hillary’s yoga lessons and chelsea’s wedding plans.

 

[tomarin]

It can’t be an attack on US government servers as Hillary’s emails were on a private server.

The press is making such a big deal out of Trump’s comments; but I see them as a sort of joke. As if he is saying ‘oh you think the Russians released these DNC hacked emails to help me? Well if the Russians are so powerful why don’t they find the emails Hillary deleted from her private server that she kept in violation of State Department regulations?’ It works for him because it keeps the (Hillary) email story alive and in the public’s mind.

Although I find Trump to be a self-involved charlatan the relentless water-carrying the media does for Hillary makes me want her to lose the election.