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The list of “Importance of Campaign issued by party” does not break it down as to how many of those polled are Catholic.

I know of some priests saying that its OK to vote for a pro-abortion candidate if in your conscience you believe other things have equal weight, like the debt, poverty, immigration and I believe that is why many, many Catholics will vote for Democratic candidates. However, I believe that Catholics should be guided by a well-formed conscience and understand that not all issues carry he same moral weight like, does abortion carry the same weight as the debt, or immigration? I believe that intrinsic evils carry more weight than immigration, or the debt or how to take care of the poor. Those things can be negotiated but you can’t negotiate an abortion. All abortions kill while taking are of the poor in different ways does not.

How can many in good conscience ignore those things that are evil in and of themselves,. If some were to say that the best way to take care of the poor is leave them outside and let them die, that would be evil. But I may want to give them beans, you may want to give them rice, or someone else may want to give them a gift card to Red Lobster; those things can be negotiated.

So for Catholics to say that they oppose abortion but believe in the woman’s right to choose apparently have not formed a correct conscience because they rather brush aside intrinsic evils and vote for other things. Sure, other things are important but as the Declaration of Independence says in part “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”.
So we are all created by God and that truth is self-evident and ALL are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights." Notice that the first one is “Life”. How can we fight for the poor, immigration, debt, etc. when life is snuffed out in the womb and never given a chance for liberty and to pursue happiness. That child is never given a chance to immigrate, to live in poverty with a chance to get out of poverty. To be able to afford good health-care, play and laugh as a child, and be held in the arms of their mother and father, to be cuddled, to be tickled, go to school, have children of their own. In other words, the best way some think to avoid poverty is NOT to exist. God is the author of life and death, NOT the supreme court.

Sorry if I’m venting but personally, (again me personally) am sick and tired of Catholics going out en masse and pulling one lever for all Democrats. I know, I have lived it and see it in my parish and I used to do that because as Hispanics, we MUST vote against the evil republicans because they are for the rich with complete disregard to the evils of abortion, gay marriages, etc. All my family members from both sides, feel the say way but unfortunately many people prefer to remain ignorant.
 
Not insulted, ashamed.

Both the GOP and DNC nominees are a reflection of the American people, like it or not.:(:mad: We put them there.
Are you saying you are ashamed of the whole country, for either voting for hillary, voting for trump, or staying home?

I’m not ashamed of America or americans no matter how they vote. I do find certain politicians very shameful. In today’s age it’s quite easy to mislead voters especially if you have the media on your side. There is always hope for change, though, if God gives us the grace.
 
Not insulted, ashamed.

Both the GOP and DNC nominees are a reflection of the American people, like it or not.:(:mad: We put them there.
I’ll agree that the people selected Trump, and it was because of their anger at other Repubs for going along with the Obama agenda. But I don’t think one can rightly say “the people” selected Hillary Clinton, though one can say her party did.
 
I’ll agree that the people selected Trump, and it was because of their anger at other Repubs for going along with the Obama agenda. But I don’t think one can rightly say “the people” selected Hillary Clinton, though one can say her party did.
Do you think primary votes for Hillary are any less representative of the people who cast them than primary votes for Trump?
 
the democrats are playing the Americans like a violin.

we should all feel insulted.
And of course Republicans would never do anything at all like this with their doom and gloom convention intended to turn the American public into a mass of quivering jelly that will look to Mr. Trump to save them, all replete with a stage festooned with American flags and Mr. Trump wearing his obligatory flag pin. 😉
 
This proves my assertion that for Dems perception is reality.They decided to paint a glowing picture of America while at the same time undermining everything this country stands for.That anyone would by their fantasy is more yelling of those who support the Dems than the actual politicians themselves:eek:
Do you recall Reagan’s “morning in America” and George H.W. Bush’s “thousand points of light”? Trump and the RNC pushed a message of fear, suspicion and hatred and presented Donald Trump as the one strongman who can lead us in the wilderness. Any wonder that the Democrats rejected that dystopian message, showing that it was not factually based, and presented a more optimistic view of our country and the world? Both sides were painting a picture that appealed to the emotions. Obama presided over a recovery from the worst economic disaster this country has faced since the 1930s. He gets to point that out. Moreover, despite GOP fear-mongering, over the course of the Obama presidency, illegal immigration, police deaths, and violent crime is down. He also gets to point that out (and to point out that the GOP is presenting a very misleading picture about these issues). Not the message that Trump supporters want to hear, but it’s closer to the truth than the dystopian message presented at the Republican National Convention.
 
Do you recall Reagan’s “morning in America” and George H.W. Bush’s “thousand points of light”? Trump and the RNC pushed a message of fear, suspicion and hatred and presented Donald Trump as the one strongman who can lead us in the wilderness. Any wonder that the Democrats rejected that dystopian message, showing that it was not factually based, and presented a more optimistic view of our country and the world? Both sides were painting a picture that appealed to the emotions. Obama presided over a recovery from the worst economic disaster this country has faced since the 1930s. He gets to point that out. Moreover, despite GOP fear-mongering, over the course of the Obama presidency, illegal immigration, police deaths, and violent crime is down. He also gets to point that out (and to point out that the GOP is presenting a very misleading picture about these issues). Not the message that Trump supporters want to hear, but it’s closer to the truth than the dystopian message presented at the Republican National Convention.
Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Besides we know Obama lies like a rug and will say anything he wants and no one will call him on it.
 
Tonight’s schedule:

6:00 - 10:00 PM (EDT)

Musical Performance: Carole King

U.S. Representative James Clyburn (South Carolina)

Hillary for America Director of States and Political Engagement Marlon Marshall

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi

U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski and the Democratic Women of the Senate

Hillary for America Latino Vote Director Lorella Praeli

U.S. Representative Joaquin Castro (Texas)

Musical Performance: Sheila E + Family

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo

Stronger Together: An Economy That Works For All

U.S. Representative Tim Ryan (Ohio)

Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper

Introduction of Speakers: Ted Danson & Mary Steenburgen

Henrietta Ivey

Dave Wills

Beth Mathias

Jensen Walcott & Jake Reed

Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf

Former Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm

Stronger Together: Americans for Hillary

Doug Elmets
Former Reagan Administration official

Jennifer Pierotti Lim
Director of Health Policy, U.S. Chamber of Commerce & Co-Founder of Republican Women for Hillary

Stronger Together: Tribute to Fallen Law Enforcement Officers

Dallas Sheriff Lupe Valdez

Jennifer Loudon, Wayne Walker, Wayne Owens, Barbara Owens
Family members of fallen law enforcement officers

Stronger Together: An Inclusive America

Reverend William Barber

Introduction of Film: Kareem Abdul-Jabaar

Khizr Khan
Khizr Khan’s son, Humayun S. M. Khan was a University of Virginia graduate and enlisted in the U.S. Army. Khan was one of 14 American Muslims who died serving the United States in the ten years after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

Stronger Together: Supporting Our Military

U.S. Representative Ted Lieu (California)

General John Allen (ret. USMC), former Commander, International Security Assistance Forces, and Commander, United States Forces - Afghanistan

Florent Groberg
Retired U.S. Army Captain Florent “Flo” Groberg was awarded the Medal of Honor, the nation’s top award for valor in combat, by President Obama after serving in Afghanistan.

Chloe Grace Moretz, actress

U.S. Representative Xavier Becerra (California)

U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (Ohio)

Musical Performance: Katy Perry

10:00 - 11:00 PM (EDT)

Introduction of Hillary Clinton
Chelsea Clinton

Remarks
Hillary Clinton*

Benediction
Reverend Bill Shillady
Thanks for the TV guide another night of watching cooking shows. Last night Lydia made a neat tomato/zucchini casserole going to try it this weekend.
 
the whole democrat convention has been about emotion. unfortunately, they are out of touch with the reality of the last 8 years. Have Michelle and Obama held press conferences or talked about how great America is until this week? I have heard Obama apologizing for America. We have had weak leadership for 8 years so for Obama and Michelle to suddenly come out about patriotism is a little hypocritical. They realize what is at stake if Hillary loses. They are desperate that the Obama legacy move forward and not be forgotten.
Actually, they did speak about how great America is and did so repeatedly. Maybe you weren’t following their speeches because their message didn’t line up with what you are hearing from Fox News or the right wing talking heads?

Here’s a link to a speech he gave on patriotism in 2008:

voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/obamas-patriotism-speech.html

Here’s a link to his speech at the 2016 DNC:

latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obama-2016-convention-speech-transcript-20160727-snap-story.html

Here’s a sample from his speech last night at the DNC:

America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump. In fact, it doesn’t depend on any one person. And that, in the end, may be the biggest difference in this election – the meaning of our democracy.

Ronald Reagan called America “a shining city on a hill.” Donald Trump calls it “a divided crime scene” that only he can fix. It doesn’t matter to him that illegal immigration and the crime rate are as low as they’ve been in decades – because he’s not actually offering any real solutions to those issues. He’s just offering slogans, and he’s offering fear. He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election.

And that’s another bet that Donald Trump will lose. And the reason he’ll lose it is because he’s selling the American people short. We’re not a fragile people. We’re not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled. Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that We the People, can form a more perfect union.

That’s who we are. That’s our birthright – the capacity to shape our own destiny. That’s what drove patriots to choose revolution over tyranny and our GIs to liberate a continent. It’s what gave women the courage to reach for the ballot, and marchers to cross a bridge in Selma, and workers to organize and fight for collective bargaining and better wages.

There are many, many other examples of his extolling the strengths and virtues of America and its people. The right wing narrative that Obama does not love and appreciate this country is a slander and a lie. The GOP has no monopoly on patriotism and love of country.
 
Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Besides we know Obama lies like a rug and will say anything he wants and no one will call him on it.
Yeah, the facts support my statement. You are welcome to prove otherwise.
 
Do you recall Reagan’s “morning in America” and George H.W. Bush’s “thousand points of light”? Trump and the RNC pushed a message of fear, suspicion and hatred and presented Donald Trump as the one strongman who can lead us in the wilderness. Any wonder that the Democrats rejected that dystopian message, showing that it was not factually based, and presented a more optimistic view of our country and the world? Both sides were painting a picture that appealed to the emotions. Obama presided over a recovery from the worst economic disaster this country has faced since the 1930s. He gets to point that out. Moreover, despite GOP fear-mongering, over the course of the Obama presidency, illegal immigration, police deaths, and violent crime is down. He also gets to point that out (and to point out that the GOP is presenting a very misleading picture about these issues). Not the message that Trump supporters want to hear, but it’s closer to the truth than the dystopian message presented at the Republican National Convention.
Give me a list of facts re the state of our nation as it has been under Obama’s tenure where the glowing roses image depicted by the Dems aligns with the reality all of our nation right now ? Stick g our heads in the sand ignoring the very real concerns isn’t going to make those concerns dissapear.
 
Actually, they did speak about how great America is and did so repeatedly. Maybe you weren’t following their speeches because their message didn’t line up with what you are hearing from Fox News or the right wing talking heads?

Here’s a link to a speech he gave on patriotism in 2008:

voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/06/obamas-patriotism-speech.html

Here’s a link to his speech at the 2016 DNC:

latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obama-2016-convention-speech-transcript-20160727-snap-story.html

Here’s a sample from his speech last night at the DNC:

America is already great. America is already strong. And I promise you, our strength, our greatness, does not depend on Donald Trump. In fact, it doesn’t depend on any one person. And that, in the end, may be the biggest difference in this election – the meaning of our democracy.

Ronald Reagan called America “a shining city on a hill.” Donald Trump calls it “a divided crime scene” that only he can fix. It doesn’t matter to him that illegal immigration and the crime rate are as low as they’ve been in decades – because he’s not actually offering any real solutions to those issues. He’s just offering slogans, and he’s offering fear. He’s betting that if he scares enough people, he might score just enough votes to win this election.

And that’s another bet that Donald Trump will lose. And the reason he’ll lose it is because he’s selling the American people short. We’re not a fragile people. We’re not a frightful people. Our power doesn’t come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. We don’t look to be ruled. Our power comes from those immortal declarations first put to paper right here in Philadelphia all those years ago: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that We the People, can form a more perfect union.

That’s who we are. That’s our birthright – the capacity to shape our own destiny. That’s what drove patriots to choose revolution over tyranny and our GIs to liberate a continent. It’s what gave women the courage to reach for the ballot, and marchers to cross a bridge in Selma, and workers to organize and fight for collective bargaining and better wages.

There are many, many other examples of his extolling the strengths and virtues of America and its people. The right wing narrative that Obama does not love and appreciate this country is a slander and a lie. The GOP has no monopoly on patriotism and love of country.
Of course Reagan was running for his second term, and Bush was running off of Reagan. Always different than the message you paint when you are trying to seize back power from the opposing incumbent party.

I thought Trump’s message was eminently positive. He spoke of the problems we have, but talked about how he would help fix them. Whether you believe him or not is one thing, but that is always what I expect from the opposing party’s speeches. And his speech was by all accounts extremely well received, so this notion of dark and dystopian clearly didn’t reach the viewers in a bad way.

I think that is just the current theme for anyone who is happy with the last 8 years. Any portrayal of problems is described as negative, dark, and gloomy. That’s silly. That’s how half the country (if not more) feels; that we can do better in a lot of areas.
 
Illegal immigration: Since Obama took office, the number of immigrants caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally has dropped 53 percent. (For more details, see: factcheck.org/2016/07/obamas-numbers-july-2016-update/)

Police deaths: Annual fatality data compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund show that there have been an average of 135 police fatalities a year under President Obama, from 2009 to 2015, compared with 162 a year for the previous seven years, from 2002 to 2008. That’s a decline of 17 percent. (For more details, see: factcheck.org/2016/07/killed-in-the-line-of-duty/)

Violent crime: Violent crime rates in the U.S. have been dropping since the 1970s, a trend that has continued during the Obama administration. (For more details, see: factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/)

It’s true! The facts have a liberal bias.
 
I thought Trump’s message was eminently positive. He spoke of the problems we have, but talked about how he would help fix them.
Trump said that he would fix America’s problems and make us strong again, but I missed the part where he said how he was going to do this. I think the closest he came was “Trust me.”
 
Me thinks this is really wrong by every statistic available. Besides we know Obama lies like a rug and will say anything he wants and no one will call him on it.
No, it’s correct by every statistic available. Violent crime is down. In 2014, the number of illegal immigrants had stabilized at 11 million over the course of the previous five years, down from its peak of 12 million at the end of the Bush administration.

Regarding police being murdered in the line of duty, that number is statistically at about half of where it was in the 70s.
 
I thought Trump’s message was eminently positive. He spoke of the problems we have, but talked about how he would help fix them.
What policies did he talk about to fix our problems aside from building a wall? A lot of his solutions seemed rather vague on specifics.
 
Thanks for the TV guide another night of watching cooking shows. Last night Lydia made a neat tomato/zucchini casserole going to try it this weekend.
There are good movies on the Turner Movie Channel too.
 
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