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YADA said:
Its actually science … that two humans create life - that is a ‘human’ … that the Church recognizes that does not remove that reality from the realm of science
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Science speaks to a form of life. Science has nothing to do with when such a life form actually becomes a person with personhood rights. The Catholic Church teaches at conception.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Science speaks to a form of life. Science has nothing to do with when such a life form actually becomes a person with personhood rights. The Catholic Church teaches at conception.
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Science speaks to unique human DNA. Using the term personhood rights to try to define a human being is a DNC/pro abortion term used to justify this mass killing.

Jeremiah 1:5 is an all Christian verse, not just Catholic.
 
dmelosi said:
Science speaks to unique human DNA. Using the term personhood rights to try to define a human being is a DNC/pro abortion term used to justify this mass killing.

Jeremiah 1:5 is an all Christian verse, not just Catholic.
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This does not contradict what Sy Noe said.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Science speaks to a form of life. Science has nothing to do with when such a life form actually becomes a person with personhood rights. The Catholic Church teaches at conception.
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Science verifies that the life is human. That a human at some point becomes a person is of course a philosophical point of view. But so arbitrary.
 
By what standard does a human acquire, or fail to have, personhood? Size? Ability to survive on one’s own? Self-awareness? Location?

Or does she obtain personhood depending on whether someone wants to abort her or not?
 
Convenience is not a scientific property. Nor is it a philosophical or moral or religious measure of the nature of a living thing.
 
john_ennis said:
By what standard does a human acquire, or fail to have, personhood? Size? Ability to survive on one’s own? Self-awareness? Location?

Or does she obtain personhood depending on whether someone wants to abort her or not?
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My guess,that for the prochoice crowd it is the latter.😦
 
Ridgerunner said:
Yes. Technically, a recession is two quarters in a row with negative growth. We are presently 1.5% away from being negative.

If, as we’re told, wages have declined for some years now, and that all wage growth has been among those in the top 10%, then perhaps it can’t rightly be called a recession, but it certainly isn’t good. And when one realizes that interest rates have been nearly zero (and perhaps below if one counts inflation correctly) for many years; that fiscal spending has been without precedent, one is hard to not to think of it as a recession or perhaps worse.

If not for welfare programs, there would be lines blocks long at soup kitchens right now; probably longer than they were during the Depression when there were no welfare programs and no one on social security.

And for those of us who are employed, just remember (as my grandfather used to tell me) there were 15-25% unemployed at various times during the Depression. But that meant 85-75% were employed. It’s less than that now.
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Not a strong economy by any means, just not one that’s in recession.
 
john_ennis said:
By what standard does a human acquire, or fail to have, personhood? Size? Ability to survive on one’s own? Self-awareness? Location?

Or does she obtain personhood depending on whether someone wants to abort her or not?
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According to Judaism, personhood is based on the moment of ensoulment as revealed in Genesis, which is at birth. After man’s physical body was formed from the earth, the breath of life was inspired into him.
 
meltzerboy said:
According to Judaism, personhood is based on the moment of ensoulment as revealed in Genesis, which is at birth. After man’s physical body was formed from the earth, the breath of life was inspired into him.
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Was Adam born after living in a womb for 9 months or formed?

Was he formed as an adult?
 
7_Sorrows said:
Was Adam born after living in a womb for 9 months or formed?

Was he formed as an adult?
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Adam and Eve were formed as adults. However, the point is that their birth (as adults), after the physical body was completed, coincided with their ensoulment according to Jewish belief.
 
meltzerboy said:
Adam and Eve were formed as adults. However, the point is that their birth (as adults), after the physical body was completed, coincided with their ensoulment according to Jewish belief.
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thanks for the explanation. maybe babies conceived and living in the womb for 9 months is different.
 
meltzerboy said:
According to Judaism, personhood is based on the moment of ensoulment as revealed in Genesis, which is at birth. After man’s physical body was formed from the earth, the breath of life was inspired into him.
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So God calls you by name and knows you in your mother’s womb - but you are not a person and have no soul … sorry … that may be Judaism’s teaching but it does not square with the Hebrew writings … makes me glad I am Christian
 
YADA said:
So God calls you by name and knows you in your mother’s womb - but you are not a person and have no soul … sorry … that may be Judaism’s teaching but it does not square with the Hebrew writings … makes me glad I am Christian
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G-d is eternal, that is, extra-temporal. Of course G-d knows us in the womb, outside the womb, during our life, and after our death. He knows all things. However, we become a living soul, as well as body, after birth.
 
meltzerboy said:
G-d is eternal, that is, extra-temporal. Of course G-d knows us in the womb, outside the womb, during our life, and after our death. He knows all things. However, we become a living soul, as well as body, after birth.
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Maybe you did …

But the unborn are living - have bodies and are known by God even in the womb … and if its when the soul is place by our Creator that is your concern… - well Only God knows and since I am not God … I will take Him at His Word … before I knit you in your mothers womb I knew you … If a person is known by God - they are human and have a soul because we are created in the image and likeness of God…

We will just have to disagree 🤷
 
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