Democratic response to Trump's speech: He's 'Wall Street's champion'

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For better or worse, I think Republicans are willing to forgive Trump the expected deficit coming up.
Republicans apparently don’t mind deficits when Republican presidents are responsible:
Republicans, meanwhile, found themselves applauding for something not very unlike President Obama’s stimulus plan of 2009. “To launch our national rebuilding,” Trump said, “I will be asking the Congress to approve legislation that produces a $1 trillion investment in the infrastructure of the United States — financed through both public and private capital — creating millions of new jobs.”
I’m not sure what “financed through both public and private capital” means, but Trump’s jobs plan sounded to my ear like some socialist Five-Year Plan from the 1970s — making it all the more entertaining to watch congressional Republicans cheering like football fans who misheard the penalty call.
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By cutting useless programs and regulations
Good answer-----except what do you determine is “useless programs and regulations?”

Some say the Department of Education should be abolished.

And who determines it, too?
 
Good answer-----except what do you determine is “useless programs and regulations?”

Some say the Department of Education should be abolished.

And who determines it, too?
Here’s a clue…not the Democrats anymore!
 
I voted for neither side this election-----and I would rather have Trump in office than crooked, baby-killing, ultra-leftist, trigger-happy Hillary in power--------but the MSN did ask a pertinent question------

“Good speech and ideas…but how are you going to PAY for it?”

It IS a good question, Jeanne…HOW? :p:o
When did the MSN ask Obama how he was going to pay for his programs?
 
When did the MSN ask Obama how he was going to pay for his programs?
We should just agree that neither Democrats or Republicans care about deficits. The only reason Republicans bring the subject up is because it’s a good stick to beat the other party with (even though most of them probably don’t really care).
 
That’s what you think. But you are, in my opinion, mistaken. There is something very unChristian about “America first” rhetoric.
Interesting. So this comment raises a number of questions:
  1. Are we a Christian country? That kind of implies we should never vote for a non-Christian to be president.
  2. Is the oath of office for the president un-Christian? After all, the president swears to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States, which is an implicit oath to put America first. Do you think it would be better for the president to swear to uphold and defend the teachings of Christ instead?
  3. Should we let non-citizens vote? If “America first” is un-Christian, then allowing only Americans the right to vote is un-Christian too.
Curious
 
Interesting. So this comment raises a number of questions:
  1. Are we a Christian country? That kind of implies we should never vote for a non-Christian to be president.
  2. Is the oath of office for the president un-Christian? After all, the president swears to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States, which is an implicit oath to put America first. Do you think it would be better for the president to swear to uphold and defend the teachings of Christ instead?
  3. Should we let non-citizens vote? If “America first” is un-Christian, then allowing only Americans the right to vote is un-Christian too.
Curious
My point is that I don’t understand how Christians can be supporters of chest thumping, nationalistic, “America first” rhetoric. Just as a demeanor in how the US presents itself to the community of nations, it just doesn’t seem very appropriate. How would other people feel if someone in their town named Joe went around telling everyone, “put me first,” “Joe should always be first!”? Everyone would probably consider Joe to be a jerk.
 
Furthermore, a Democrat (Clinton) gave us what may have been our only surplus. Trump made no mention whatsoever of the d-word (deficit.)

Trump basically broadcast to the world that he’ll out-deficit spend W. So much for being “conservative.” 🤷
Very true. So-called “conservatives” have always been big spenders. The notion that they’re fiscally responsible is a farce. Since 1970, the administrations that have had the largest increase in federal spending have been (1) George W. Bush, (2) Ronald Reagan, and (3) Gerald Ford. Trump’s plans will further balloon the deficit. President Obama had to clean up George W. Bush’s messes, just as certainly as the next president will have to clean up Trump’s messes.
 
I think you missed what the governor said. He spoke about Trump’s executive orders that have made it harder for people to afford a mortgage
I’m confused. Didn’t the Obama administration issue the planned rate reduction just a week or two prior to Trump taking office? There was no rate cut actually implemented, thus Trump’s reversal does not cause a rate increase. The net effect is nothing happened. Is this incorrect?

This seems like how Democrats call a reduction of planned budget increase a “cut”. (Or to use typical lingo, a “draconian cut”)
and how he has begun the process of the deregulation of Wall St
Can you provide specifics of the proposed “deregulation”? How do you know it will be bad? My wife is very familiar with the insurance industry, which Dodd Frank impacted. As an example, It required small insurance companies to hire internal auditors to ensure compliance with financial regulations…despite the fact that those companies already had to hire the services of outside auditors, whose job it was to ensure compliance with financial regulations. Those companies, after hiring the internal auditor, still must hire the services of outside auditors to do the same thing. Basically, Dodd Frank, in this case caused an increase in the cost of doing business, with no added value to that cost.

My point is this: Is it possible similar, non value add regulations, could be the focus of “deregulation”? I don’t know…but I’m not sure you do either in order to back up your statement.
and choosing so many billionaires and Wall St insiders for his cabinet.
Why is that a bad thing? If you are going to fix a system, seems to me hiring someone who knows the system is better than hiring someone who does not know the system and will do things that cause unintended consequences. (Like passing Dodd Frank, which made borrowing money from banks much harder)
 
My point is that I don’t understand how Christians can be supporters of chest thumping, nationalistic, “America first” rhetoric. Just as a demeanor in how the US presents itself to the community of nations, it just doesn’t seem very appropriate. How would other people feel if someone in their town named Joe went around telling everyone, “put me first,” “Joe should always be first!”? Everyone would probably consider Joe to be a jerk.
Well, consider the choice Christians had!

I agree that Trump is, or can be, a jerk. But there is no doubt in my Catholic Christian mind that when I voted for him, he was the lesser of two evils. I still feel that way today.
 
Following President Trump’s address to a joint session of Congress Tuesday night, the Democratic Party gave its response. Party leaders chose former Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear to do the honors this year. Beshear, who left office in 2015, has a record of expanding access to affordable health care, lowering his state’s uninsured rate from more than 20 percent to 7.5 percent.

Mr. President, as a candidate, you promised to be a champion for families struggling to make ends meet and I hope you live up to that promise. But one of your very first executive orders makes it harder for those families to even afford a mortgage.

Then you started rolling back rules that provide oversight of the financial industry and safeguard us against another national economic meltdown.

And you picked a Cabinet of billionaires and Wall Street insiders who want to eviscerate the protections that most Americans count on and that help level the playing field.

That’s not being our champion, that’s being Wall Street’s champion.

And even more troubling, you and your Republican allies in Congress seem determined to rip affordable health insurance away from millions of Americans who most need it.
Does the Affordable Care Act needs some repairs? Sure it does. But so far, every Republican idea to replace the Affordable Care Act would reduce the number of Americans covered, despite your promises to the contrary.

Mr. President, folks here in in Kentucky expect you to keep your word, because this isn’t a game, it’s life and death for people.

These ideas promise access to care, but deny the importance of making care affordable and effective. They would charge families more for fewer benefits and put the insurance companies back in control.

Behind these ideas is the belief that folks at the lower end of the economic ladder just don’t deserve health care. That it is somehow their fault that their employer doesn’t offer insurance or that they can’t afford to buy expensive health plans. But just who are these 22 million Americans, including 500,000 people right here in Kentucky, who now have health care that didn’t have it before?

Look, they’re not aliens from some distant planet. They are our friends and neighbors. We sit in the bleachers with them on Friday night, we worship in the pews with them on Sunday morning. They’re farmers, restaurant workers, part-time teachers, nurses aides, construction workers and entrepreneurs working at high-tech startups. And before the Affordable Care Act, they woke up every morning and went to work, just hoping and praying they wouldn’t get sick because they knew that they were just one bad diagnosis away from bankruptcy.

Another commitment now being tested is to our national security. Look, make no mistake, I am a military veteran myself and I know that protecting America is a president’s highest duty. Yet President Trump is ignoring serious threats to our national security from Russia, who is not our friend, while alienating our allies who fought with this side-by-side and are our friends in a dangerous world.

His approach makes us less safe and should worry every freedom-loving American. Instead, President Trump has all but declared war on refugees and immigrants. Look, the president can and should enforce our immigration laws, but we can protect America without abandoning our principles and our moral obligation to help those fleeing war and terror, without tearing families apart and without needlessly jeopardizing our military men and women fighting overseas.

President Trump also needs to understand that people may disagree with him from time to time, but that doesn’t make them his enemies. When the president attacks the loyalty and credibility of our intelligence agencies, the court system, the military, the free press, individual Americans, simply because he doesn’t like what they say, he’s eroding our democracy and that’s reckless. Real leaders don’t spread derision and division. Real leaders strengthen.

npr.org/2017/02/28/516829714/democratic-response-to-trumps-address-to-congress-annotated
A rather bizarre switch from first to third person in this rambling, shambling rhetoric.
 
Affordable health insurance? The National Federation of Independent Businesses, an organization that represents nearly 11,000 entrepreneurs in New York state alone, said it has yet to find a single member whose health-care costs went down under ObamaCare.

Every Republican idea to replace the ACA would reduce the number of Americans covered? The ACA did that on its own! The number of Americans who signed up for new Obamacare was less than the number the federal government predicted would sign up, and is way less than the number whose insurance policies were cancelled as a result of the overhaul.

Despite [the President’s] promises to the contrary? All anyone had to do to confirm that the ACA was sold on a pack of lies was to look at the Obama administration’s changing storyline once parts of the bill began landing in the Supreme Court. Because the only way for the court to uphold the law was by confirming the president wasn’t being truthful when he was selling it to us.

Remember the individual mandate and how the White House swore it wasn’t a tax?

Remember “If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan”?
The price of healthcare has gone up each yr long before Obama. It goes up faster than wages and inflation. High cost technological advances in the industry have something to do with it. But I don’t see rising costs stopping unfortunately while private for profit insurers are in the game. Remember these are the same insurers whining now that their profits are not large enough. Or not until sick people or potentially sick people decide it’s not worth paying more for their health than it is for other needs such as food and shelter or their wants.
 
The price of healthcare has gone up each yr long before Obama. It goes up faster than wages and inflation. High cost technological advances in the industry have something to do with it. But I don’t see rising costs stopping unfortunately while private for profit insurers are in the game. Remember these are the same insurers whining now that their profits are not large enough. Or not until sick people or potentially sick people decide it’s not worth paying more for their health than it is for other needs such as food and shelter or their wants.
Please show us where premiums sky rocketted overnight as with Obamacare. I don’t think that has ever happened. Your point is not made.
 
Furthermore, a Democrat (Clinton) gave us what may have been our only surplus. Trump made no mention whatsoever of the d-word (deficit.)

Trump basically broadcast to the world that he’ll out-deficit spend W. So much for being “conservative.” 🤷
So, just to be clear: spending is bad now that a republican is in the Oval Office, right?
 
Following President Trump’s address to a joint session of Congress Tuesday night, the Democratic Party gave its response. Party leaders chose former Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear to do the honors this year. Beshear, who left office in 2015, has a record of expanding access to affordable health care, lowering his state’s uninsured rate from more than 20 percent to 7.5 percent.

Mr. President, as a candidate, you promised to be a champion for families struggling to make ends meet and I hope you live up to that promise. But one of your very first executive orders makes it harder for those families to even afford a mortgage.

Then you started rolling back rules that provide oversight of the financial industry and safeguard us against another national economic meltdown.

And you picked a Cabinet of billionaires and Wall Street insiders who want to eviscerate the protections that most Americans count on and that help level the playing field.

That’s not being our champion, that’s being Wall Street’s champion.

And even more troubling, you and your Republican allies in Congress seem determined to rip affordable health insurance away from millions of Americans who most need it.
Does the Affordable Care Act needs some repairs? Sure it does. But so far, every Republican idea to replace the Affordable Care Act would reduce the number of Americans covered, despite your promises to the contrary.

Mr. President, folks here in in Kentucky expect you to keep your word, because this isn’t a game, it’s life and death for people.

These ideas promise access to care, but deny the importance of making care affordable and effective. They would charge families more for fewer benefits and put the insurance companies back in control.

Behind these ideas is the belief that folks at the lower end of the economic ladder just don’t deserve health care. That it is somehow their fault that their employer doesn’t offer insurance or that they can’t afford to buy expensive health plans. But just who are these 22 million Americans, including 500,000 people right here in Kentucky, who now have health care that didn’t have it before?

Look, they’re not aliens from some distant planet. They are our friends and neighbors. We sit in the bleachers with them on Friday night, we worship in the pews with them on Sunday morning. They’re farmers, restaurant workers, part-time teachers, nurses aides, construction workers and entrepreneurs working at high-tech startups. And before the Affordable Care Act, they woke up every morning and went to work, just hoping and praying they wouldn’t get sick because they knew that they were just one bad diagnosis away from bankruptcy.

Another commitment now being tested is to our national security. Look, make no mistake, I am a military veteran myself and I know that protecting America is a president’s highest duty. Yet President Trump is ignoring serious threats to our national security from Russia, who is not our friend, while alienating our allies who fought with this side-by-side and are our friends in a dangerous world.

His approach makes us less safe and should worry every freedom-loving American. Instead, President Trump has all but declared war on refugees and immigrants. Look, the president can and should enforce our immigration laws, but we can protect America without abandoning our principles and our moral obligation to help those fleeing war and terror, without tearing families apart and without needlessly jeopardizing our military men and women fighting overseas.

President Trump also needs to understand that people may disagree with him from time to time, but that doesn’t make them his enemies. When the president attacks the loyalty and credibility of our intelligence agencies, the court system, the military, the free press, individual Americans, simply because he doesn’t like what they say, he’s eroding our democracy and that’s reckless. Real leaders don’t spread derision and division. Real leaders strengthen.

npr.org/2017/02/28/516829714/democratic-response-to-trumps-address-to-congress-annotated
The republicans are the party that helps the poor, minorities and single women the most. 👍
 
By cutting useless programs and regulations
Yes and PresidentvTrump has already mentioned that his plan is to weed out useless programs and regulations which will incentivize the growth of small businesses’ thus growing the economy.
There will continue to be the naysayers’ re ANYTHING Trump they have to save face in light of his successes, in spite of the negative press,blechhhh…
 
And you’re assuming, of course, that Obamacare will not be replaced by something better.
Yes because I don’t see the Republicans removing the private for profit insurers from the healthcare picture. These are the same insurers now crying that their profits now are too small. And HSAs don’t do an ounce of good for people who can not afford to add funds to the account. If someone is generally healthy and has many years to build up their account a HSA might seem attractive to them at the moment. But illness and medical needs are unpredictable which makes budgeting for health costs all the more difficult. And older and sicker people may not be able to save as much as healthy younger people. But even to those healthier at the moment and younger, illness and medical needs can strike at anytime.
 
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