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Sy_Noe
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Doesn’t matter. In the past trickle down from the rich didn’t work. Except for the rich. They made out like kings either hoarding more of their profits or spending more on themselves.
Democratic response to Trump's speech: He's 'Wall Street's champion'
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Sy_Noe
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Class warfare begins at the top.
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Sy_Noe
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Rarely do I do either of those, Michael.
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_Abyssinia
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Democratic lawmaker slams party’s choice of Beshear for Trump rebuttal
m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/emanuel-cleaver-dem-lawmaker-slams-partys-choice-s/
m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/emanuel-cleaver-dem-lawmaker-slams-partys-choice-s/
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SuperLuigi
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It worked great under Reagan and under Coolidge.
The rich must be incentivized, not punished. When they are incentivizied, they do not hoard, but when they are, they will cling to their assets by sending them abroad rather than let the government take them—even most of those rich liberals who are on TV saying they want to be taxed more when they really don’t.
If they are not, we all suffer.
The government doesn’t create any new jobs. The free market does that.
It may be fun,
and neat to attack the rich, but in so doing the people who lose are the middle class.But, if that’s what they want, then that is what they shall receive. And neither the poor nor the rich will feel sorry for them. The rich will be elsewhere in a more friendly, productive climate and the poor increasingly entitled will demand more.
And if people want to be poor so they can virtue-signal on-line for a short time before they are unable to pay their internet or smart phone bill, that’s fine too.
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Sy_Noe
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We live in a different world today and a lot more automation.It worked great under Reagan and under Coolidge.
The rich must be incentivized, not punished. When they are incentivizied, they do not hoard, but when they are, they will cling to their assets by sending them abroad rather than let the government take them—even most of those rich liberals who are on TV saying they want to be taxed more when they really don’t.
If they are not, we all suffer.
The government doesn’t create any new jobs. The free market does that.
It may be fun,
But, if that’s what they want, then that is what they shall receive. And neither the poor nor the rich will feel sorry for them. The rich will be elsewhere in a more friendly, productive climate and the poor increasingly entitled will demand more.
And if people want to be poor so they can virtue-signal on-line for a short time before they are unable to pay their internet or smart phone bill, that’s fine too.
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ProVobis
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What do you call that bureaucracy under the Cabinet positions? I think Homeland Security was the last one.
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Theo520
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Medicaid works well for everyone who get free coverage, thousands of people.
The issue is whether the program is affordable for everyone else to cover. The Obama admin redirected profits from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to fund Obamacare, so in some fashion people were losing housing support to give other people health support.
With ACA, nothing came in according to the rosy projections.
In KY, the ex Gov that implemented it, thinks it was great and he did a good job. The current Gov that is stuck with it, thinks it was a disaster.
realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/02/28/kentucky_gov_matt_bevin_obamacare_has_been_a_disaster_in_kentucky_no_matter_what_steve_bashear_says.html
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Ion
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On the good side, for example, Bernie Sanders said it is a shame that a Republican had on political agenda the repatriation of American companies and the creation of jobs for Americans, and he started to call it a priority.He’s already a hit with those who financed his Trump Casinos, Trump Mortgage, Trump University, and on and on.
What can possibly go wrong?
Do you remember Clinton&Obama political view on this?
They said it is impossible to stop companies going out which is a lie. They said American workers have to compete the manufacturing pricess of other countries which is another lie.
That is the dream of the globalists, clearly stated by Soros: he wants to be able to move his money anywhere on the globe with no restriction. That is to say there is no more political responsibility of the rich!!!
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Saints_Alive
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The Democratic response was prepared before this presidential speech obviously.
Seems a true response would have come the day after the address to Congress and actually pertained to the address itself.
Bershears concerns and comments are valid of course but it seemed like he would have said the exact same thing no matter what the content of Trump’s speech was. He just complained about what Trump has done leaving up to the address to Congress:shrug:
Seems a true response would have come the day after the address to Congress and actually pertained to the address itself.
Bershears concerns and comments are valid of course but it seemed like he would have said the exact same thing no matter what the content of Trump’s speech was. He just complained about what Trump has done leaving up to the address to Congress:shrug:
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In your opinion, how much should they be donating? What percentage of their income should be donated and how much should they be allowed to keep for their own use? The only answer I ever seem to hear is “MORE”But they’re probably not donating enough if they still have a Bentley.
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Odd to think it, but there might be some city size at which a lot of remedies to problems no longer work. I’m truly hard put to imagine why. In my part of the world, even truly insane people don’t live in cardboard boxes. The various public and private agencies seine them up, get them housed, fed and treated. For a lot of them, only meds keep them from going into la la land, but they do work. Those people have case managers who make sure they take them. Now and then, one of them will rebel, but by and large they don’t. It does take very skilled people to make the meds work out properly because brain functioning is awfully idiosyncratic. But it does work.
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ProdigalSun
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Yes “more” is what seems to be the key ingredient, which is why even though Thor has given lots which is commendable for sure, I just thought he could set an example of more by giving even his mattress to the man living in a box.
I pray all those who can afford to do so help the least fortunate among us!
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Thorolfr
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I can’t wait to see the Republican’s wonderful replacement. As Paul Waldman reports in the Washington Post:
washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/03/02/republicans-already-think-obamacare-repeal-is-a-nightmare-its-about-to-get-worse/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8ec1d409b1b6
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Ridgerunner
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No. I don’t think Trump will say those things. He would be accused of plagiarizing Obama, Pelosi, Biden and all the liberals on CAF when they praised Obamacare.
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Anything will be better than Obamacare which is why the Dems set your ACA up in just a convoluted and incredible expensive fashion. This whole system is designed to fail. So that Hilary bless her heart can usher in single pay insurance. (Opps she didn’t win)
Hey don’t get me wrong, I’m from Canada where I get “FREE” healthcare! OUr healthcare system is a real blessing. I went to get my blood test the other day. Walked in at 8:10am and picked my number. 2.5 hours later I was on my way to work. If I had the money I would buy private insurance so I could skip around this bottom tier and jump the up to the top tiers like our politicians and super rich get to do! Must of these people end up going to the states for anything really pressing like a c-scan. THese are usually about a 3 or 4 month wait time. My wife was finally referred to a Gynocologist (that’s right ou cannot get to specialists without a referral) last October. She will get to see her in April. My tax dollars go towards abortion and sex change reassignement but for some life saving drugs one needs to pay out of pocket! It really is a head scratcher some times!
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Sy_Noe
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No, I don’t see HSAs as better. They could be worse. They might seem appealing to people with the money and the time to invest in one until they get sick. But the thing is medical needs can happen at any time in life without notice. And considering the unpredictability of what healthcare needs one might require, very difficult to budget for. The GOP keeps saying individuals can have more control over their healthcare with such a savings acct. I find that’s a foolish statement to make considering none of us knows what our healthcare needs may be tomorrow. Let alone yrs away. Healthcare can be the difference between life and death as the former Democratic KY said. Can we come to your province when we can’t afford care here? I think people would be better off waiting for something rather not ever getting it here at all. Better to wait 2.5 hrs for blood to be drawn than not be able to go for a test at all. Count your blessings. Btw in the US you often need referrals for a specialist too and many drugs are expensive. I was at a grocery store with a pharmacy not long ago. An elderly lady was sitting patiently waiting for her prescriptions to be filled. I heard the pharmacist say to her, one of her prescriptions would be $200. The poor lady said, oh I can’t afford that. I won’t be able to get that one. He told her well call or come back if she wanted it. Wanted it? She NEEDED it! For profit healthcare is a huge problem here.
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Ridgerunner
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The overwhelming cost of health care is among older people. Had the lady in the last part of your post been saving even a little bit of money, tax-free, for years, cost in old age would not be so burdensome. Possibly she never had any money at all. But if she has an IRA, she certainly could afford an HSA as well. Pretty clearly, there would have to be transitioning into any kind of change, because you can’t ask a 70-year-old to suddenly come up with a hefty HSA. I do consider it something of an oddity that people over age 65 cannot contribute to HSAs. I have never understood the reason for that.
I don’t know how it is elsewhere, but around here you can go straight to most specialists without a referral. And most of the time if you need an MRI, you’ll get it that same day.
If you need emergency surgery, you’ll get it that same day. If it’s elective but important, (like a rotator cuff tear that could progress) you’ll be on the operating table within the week if not the next day.
One of the “defects” and “blessings” of American health care is its responsiveness and it’s “do everything” attitude. That’s expensive, though. If we’re going to have “Medicaid with deductibles and long waits” that’s a choice the populace will need to make, knowing what they’re giving up.
But nobody should maintain that covering everybody for free is without costs or somehow easy.
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Gotta tell you, I have really good private insurance here in the US, and your experience getting blood tests isn’t any different from mine. If I need tests, or an x-ray, or an MRI or CT scan, I’m going to be there half the day. At least. And the emergency room? I can count on a whole day lost.
Private insurance doesn’t make wait times magically disappear.
Also, just for another perspective, my wife is a Canadian immigrant to the US. I’ve spent a lot of time in Canada with my in-laws. They are all really happy with the Canadian health care system (wait times and all), and have had health issues that absolutely would have bankrupted an American family in similar circumstances (meaning the nature and cost of the life-long care they needed, their income, their jobs and the like).
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I would like to amend the part about the only answer I ever seem to hear is “MORE”. There is another answer and that is silence, like we have here. I guess they realize that the answer they want to give really is “MORE” but they know that makes them look bad, so they ignore the question and pretend it was never asked.
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