Democrats excluding Catholics

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https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/cardinal-dolan-says-democrats-have-abandoned-catholics-77219

 

[ATraveller]

Down the road, the Democrat leadership will start insulting Catholics just like they have with Evangelicals since the 1980s.
We have evidence.
https://sjc6.discourse-cdn.com/cath...9b906a10e5a23091552266873936858_1_690x398.jpg

 

[Ridgerunner]

As a person raised Democrat, who had not a single ancestor who was not a Democrat, who was an activist and officeholder in the party, I have agreed with Cdl Dolan for many years. I found it out the hard way; not personally, but in the absolute insistence of what was then my party that everybody had to toe the party line on abortion, and that prolifers were not welcome in the party.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Down the road, the Democrat leadership will start insulting Catholics just like they have with Evangelicals since the 1980s.

They already have. The Wikileaks disclosures of the DNC emails pretty much tells us the Dem party disdains Catholicism and has acted to subvert it. It will not get better anytime soon because the party weeds out prolife candidates.

 

[ATraveller]

Forgot about those.

Mr Halpin, a self-described Catholic, writes that many of the “most powerful elements of the conservative movement are Catholics… they must be attracted to the systematic thought and [severely] backwards gender relations”, adding that “it’s an amazing bastardisation of the faith”.

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In emails from 2012 released by Wikileaks and alleged to be by Podesta, he responds to an email from Barack Obama’s friend and former boss, Sandy Newman, about an “opening for a Catholic Spring”.

Newman suggests that “Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the Catholic Church.” Newman refers to this as planting the “seeds of a revolution”.

Palmieri replies: “I imagine they think it is the most socially acceptable politically conservative religion. Their rich friends wouldn’t understand if they became evangelicals.”

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...nisations-to-create-revolution-in-the-church/

If there’s a lesson to be learned from this WikiLeaks business for the difficult future that awaits the Church in the United States, it has to do with the bishops becoming more assertive guardians of the “Catholic” brand. When “Catholics for Choice” takes out full-page newspaper ads asserting that “Public funding for abortion is a Catholic social justice value” (as happened during this election cycle), the local bishop should be at the forefront of the public challenge to such lies, making clear through the local press and social media that “Catholics for Choice” is not recognized as a legitimate Catholic organization by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops—and perhaps calling the newspaper’s editor or proprietor to inquire why the paper is accepting blatantly false advertising.

Those Catholic WikiLeaks | George Weigel

That John Podesta and other Clintonistas imagined they could spin Pope Francis with money from George Soros perhaps tells you a bit about the fantasyland these people inhabit.

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This is chilling and infuriating — though I suppose not surprising. It’s simply that now it’s undeniable. It shows that at the senior level of the Democratic Party’s brain trust, a Clinton political operative — a Catholic! — created front groups specifically to undermine the authority of the Catholic bishops, and to separate the bishops from the people, as well as to secretly undermine Catholic teaching to make it more friendly to the Democratic Party’s agenda. Podesta ought to be excommunicated.

So now we know what’s coming under a Hillary Clinton presidency: a war on the Catholic Church and any other church that stands in the way of progressives in power. At an international conference last year, Hillary Clinton said that the fight for global abortion rights must never end

Democratic Conspiracy Against Catholic Church

Hillary campaign chief in secret plot to foment 'revolution' inside Church

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[Boatswain2PA]

But…but…but…but…TRUMP! He is a liar! He is a fornicator!! He cheated on his first wife with his second wife!!! He’s FLAWED!!

And…and…and…and…GUNS!!! Those demonic destructive things!!! It’s for the CHILLLLDDDRRREEEENNN!!!

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Agreed, although I am obviously from a different perspective.

Catholic Democrats denigrate Catholic Republicans for “not helping the poor”, etc. In reality, Catholic Republicans (in my opinion) want to help the poor more by helping them up by their bootstraps rather than just giving them free things. I think this IS a grey area that should be considered.

Meanwhile, Catholic Republicans denigrate Catholic Democrats for abortion. There is very, very, very little grey area here.

 

[Theo520]

Eh, I think neither party represents Catholic thought, so it is really a tradeoff between the two on which is the lesser of two evils. It is a hard decision that each US voter must make.

NOPE, the GOP does fine on the issues.
Trump’s personal life is not the GOP platform

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I assume (but could be wrong) that Jagged was referring to the liberal/leftist Catholic position on the GOP - that we don’t care about the poor, are going to throw Grandma off a cliff, etc.

 

[dvdjs]

Interesting op-ed by the Cardinal. While i support his strong pro-life message, I am discouraged that he undercut it by bringing in a lament about tax support for sectarian schools -surely that is not among the non-negotiables. Worse, he included incorrect information about Lipinski.

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The DNCC, btw, had repudiated the litmus test long before that primary contest

Dem Campaign Chair: No Abortion Litmus Test for Candidates

Dem. Campaign Chair claims there are no litmus tests for candidates.

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[Arkansan]

I am discouraged that he undercut it by bringing in a lament about tax support for sectarian schools -surely that is not among the non-negotiables.

Can. 793 §2. Parents also have the right to that assistance, to be furnished by civil society, which they need to secure the Catholic education of their children.

Can. 797 Parents must possess a true freedom in choosing schools; therefore, the Christian faithful must be concerned that civil society recognizes this freedom for parents and even supports it with subsidies; distributive justice is to be observed.

 

[dvdjs]

They already have. The Wikileaks disclosures of the DNC emails pretty much tells us the Dem party disdains Catholicism and has acted to subvert it.

Sad. I suppose you try to give yourself some wiggle room with “pretty much”. But these comments are beyond rubbish.

You take an email between two Democrats - not in any sense the party or the DNC - and you put a wicked twist on the contents to conjure up your partisan polemic with reckless disregard for the truth.

Why do some treasure polemics over the truth?

 

[dvdjs]

Can. 793 §2. Parents also have

Interesting. Thanks for the link. These canons are not present in CCEO.
Do you think that action on these canons rises to the level of non-negotiable?

 

[Hereiam]

Politically, many Catholics have abandoned the Gospel and joined the non-dom evangelicals…sad commentary for the Church, and possibly for the souls of those drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

[tweedlealice]

Washington D.C., Mar 23, 2018 / 10:32 am (CNA/EWTN News).- In an op-ed published Friday in the Wall Street Journal, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of the Archdiocese of New York lamented that the Democratic Party’s shifting principles have effectively shut out and alienated orthodox Catholics.

Dolan cited the Democrat’s current opposition to school choice programs and tax credits for education, along with their unwavering support for abortion rights, among the reasons why he is disappointed with the party in its current state. Dolan said believes that the Democrats of today have abandoned many of the tenets that made the party attractive to Catholics generations ago.

In the past, Dolan explained, when waves of Irish immigrants arrived in the United States, their respect for the sanctity of life and their concern for the poor led them to embrace the Democrats, who welcomed them to the party. Dolan even recounted his own grandmother warning him that, “We Catholics don’t trust those Republicans.”

This is the beginning of Cardinal Dolan’s letter.
I knew this, sometime after Kennedy and LBJ. The DNC PLATFORM CHANGED!
PROCHOICE &FREE SEXUAL EXPRESSION OF ALL SEXUAL PROCLIVITIES.
God loves homosexuals. I love homosexuals. We are forgetting our goal of purity in our vocations.
In Christ’s Love
Tweedlealice

 

[ATraveller]

joined the non-dom evangelicals

That’s because the Democrats are starting to purge themselves of Catholics just like they did with Evangelicals. Prior to the 1980s, Evangelicals leaned towards the Democrats. It’s basic knowledge when you insult a part of the electorate you don’t get their votes. Just like the Republicans insulting African-Americans and now ‘indirectly’ with Mexican-Americans.
Which party was it that tried to force the Little Sisters of the Poor to go against their Catholic faith on the matter of contraception? That question points to the wider issue of who will more likely protect religious freedoms and are less likely to be hostile to both Catholics and Evangelicals alike.

 

[Arkansan]

Arkansan:

Can. 793 §2. Parents also have

Interesting. Thanks for the link. These canons are not present in CCEO.
Do you think that action on these canons rises to the level of non-negotiable?

Canon 627 §3. Parents are to enjoy true freedom in the choice of the means of education, without prejudice to can. 633; therefore the Christian faithful are to see that this right is recognized by the civil society and even fostered by suitable assistance in accordance with the requirements of justice.

I think the term non-negotiable is ambiguous. Support for Catholic education is obviously of lower priority than issues like abortion. Though all things being equal it would seem to me (though as a non-canonist, I could be overestimating the binding nature of these canons) that these canons impose an obligation to support some manner of subsidy for Catholic education.

 

[Hereiam]

That’s because the Democrats are starting to purge themselves of Catholics just like they did with Evangelicals.

Or is it because many Catholics no longer have the stomach for the gospel message of providing for the poor, caring of widows and orphans, freeing the oppressed? But, I guess they have a convenient scapegoat to avoid the uncomfortable feeling of guilt.

 

[ATraveller]

Is the only way of providing for the vulnerable done through government? And is freeing the oppressed achieved when nuns who help the poor have their religious freedoms oppressed? The only thing that has changed is voting pattern. Their person charitable contributions or services have not. To equate voting preference with charity seems a bit of a stretch.

 

[dvdjs]

Though all things being equal it would seem to me (though as a non-canonist, I could be overestimating the binding nature of these canons) that these canons impose an obligation to support some manner of subsidy for Catholic education.

The language of RC Can797 is similar to CCEO 627.3, but language of RC Can. 793.2 is very stark and directing. So much so that I suppose that it is proper to bring this up alongside a pro-life message. Thanks for looking up these canons.