Democrats officially remove "So help me God" from oaths

[TrumpTrain]

Polls show that most Democrats believe in God, including politicians

Satan believes in God too. So what. The Democrat Party of Kennedy is dead and buried. The New Democrat Socialist Party is the party of infanticide, abortion, socialism, transgenderism, gay marriage and massive taxes. Anyone who denies this is purposely closing their eyes to reality.

 

[Thorolfr]

Thorolfr:

And what about separation of religion and state? That’s an important principle in our country’s history, too.

That’s been exactly my point. Where did I say otherwise?

I wasn’t disagreeing with you.

 

[Thorolfr]

Without God an oath has no meaning. These people demonstrate their ignorance of what an oath actually is. (Good Read: “Swear to God” by Scott Hahn)

Then we should just dispense with oaths completely and remind people of some penalty for lying, either a fine or jail time.

 

[angel12]

I wasn’t disagreeing with you.

Sorry, it looked like you were, which surprised me.

 

[angel12]

Without God an oath has no meaning.

That’s not what Jesus said about oaths.

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

The person is asking for help. Who do you expect help from in difficult times, Oprah? An oath is what it is. The meaning and historical roots of an oath are what they are. The Latin word for oath is Sacramentum , where we get the word Sacraments.

They are seeking help to not lie, defraud, or betray?

Are you an atheist?

Yes

 

[TrumpTrain]

Without God an oath has no meaning. These people demonstrate their ignorance of what an oath actually is. (Good Read: “Swear to God” by Scott Hahn)

Really? Can you demonstrate please?
The Latin word for oath is Sacramentum , where we get the word Sacraments.

 

[TrumpTrain]

Are you an atheist?

Adios. I don’t get into arguments with atheists.

 

[ProVobis]

(Post withdrawn)

 

[angel12]

Really? Can you demonstrate please?

Certainly. I refer you to His own words as handed down to us by the Apostle Matthew (chapter 5, verse 37):
“Let your ‘Yes’ mean ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No’ mean ‘No.’ Anything more is from the evil one.”

Best read, for context, with the preceding few verses.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

Without God an oath has no meaning.

Without God it’s not a declaration to a Divine witness. But from the perspective that God is always watching what does including a reference to God give that we don’t get with the reference omitted?

 

[sallybutler]

Without God an oath has no meaning. These people demonstrate their ignorance of what an oath actually is. (Good Read: “Swear to God” by Scott Hahn)

So does that mean I should not believe what people say unless they include “I swear to God”

 

[ProVobis]

Must include “Hope to die” too.

 

[HerCrazierHalf]

Ok. That’s your prerogative. Have a good day.

 

[grotto]

“TruthEnforcer” - Your messages are exactly what Roman Catholic faithful are going to stop suffering with an over-load of tolerance. Abortion is a horrendous act that God has forbidden. Anyone that commits this mortal sin and anyone that supports it - is also committing mortal sin.
There is a special place in Hell for any soul that chooses to remain unrepentant and death ends
their life on earth.

 

[TruthEnforcer]

Abortion is a horrendous act that God has forbidden. Anyone that commits this mortal sin and anyone that supports it - is also committing mortal sin.

Grotto, terminating a pregnancy of a non-viable fetus in the third trimester in order to save the life of the mother carrying it - is not a mortal sin. Nor is it something for you to judge.

 

[upant]

My objection is when Catholics like yourself - believe that you are the voice of and for all that God represents.

Not at all, I am a sinner and not worthy of God’s Love and forgiveness. I thank God Daily for dying for me. I fail him often. I am not proud of it.

The Democratic Party is not Anti-God.

Please explain their anti-God programs, especially the latest abortion just before birth. Please explain their stand on contraception, same-sex marriage, transgenderism, etc

As a matter of fact, I see them as more God-like than people like you.

Please explain how

The Catholic church is failing and participation is declining. Perhaps that should be your focus. Keep doing what you’re doing and in a few decades, the church will be bankrupt morally, financially, and without followers.

The church may dwindle but it will not fail, Jesus said his church will not fail. I believe in Jesus.

Christianity encompasses more than the Catholics but it does not dictate and demand. And until the church recognizes and embraces it’s own failures, and fixes itself by welcoming ALL human beings, it simply no longer deserves the right to preach the gospel outside of it’s own 4 walls.

The words of Jesus tells us what to do, not the words of our fellow man.

Jesus tells us to accept everyone and tells us what actions are sins that will keep some of them from heaven. It is everyone’s individual choice. We just need to make them aware of the consequence of the choice.

 

[ProVobis]

Please explain their anti-God programs, especially the latest abortion just before birth. Please explain their stand on contraception, same-sex marriage, transgenderism, etc

For the record, Cicero had already condemned such behavior long before the Church. Read De Officiis. There should be a good translation somewhere. He was a pagan, by the way.

 

[grotto]

Well this is my answer back: It is my place to use my judgement. Abortion is an evil act and a grave mortal sin.

 

[upant]

No - it’s what the mature and educated people with common sense want. It has nothing to do with political parties.

It is child sacrifice, were the Aztec’s mature and educated people? What is the difference with what you are doing? What if mature and educated people want to kill kids up until 10 days old, will that be ok?

And it has nothing to do with religion.

Agreed, it is against the laws of nature.

We practice ‘saving a life’ methods every single day in this world

The third-trimester abortion has moved beyond the act of saving the life of the mother. The term health has broadened to mean anything the patient and doctor agree to, it was settled under Doe vs Bolton

In Doe, the Court announced that health, for the purposes of late-term abortion law, would be synonymous with the mother’s “physical, emotional, psychological, familial … wellbeing”—in other words, every reason a pregnant woman could give for seeking an abortion in the first place.

it’s not God’s call.

Why isn’t it God’s call? He created everything, are you a believer in God?

Now whether you want to believe that or not is fine by me, because like Grandpa used to say “You can go to your church, and I will go to mine!” But our narratives are personal - and it’s between you and your God … and me and mine. I think your thought process neglects to remind you of that.

There is only one God, no matter how many churches. He has only one law. His Son setup only one church.