Democrats officially remove "So help me God" from oaths

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Trump, as bad as his tweets are, is at least trying to keep his promises
Is that why he lies an average of 8+ times per day when speaking publicly according to the WaPo and Toronto Star? And it’s not just the tweets that are bad as an increasing number of people now recognize.

BTW, what we see over and over again is many use polls when it confirms what they believe but denigrate polls when it goes against what they believe.
 
Is that why he lies an average of 8+ times per day when speaking publicly according to the WaPo and Toronto Star? And it’s not just the tweets that are bad as an increasing number of people now recognize.

BTW, what we see over and over again is many use polls when it confirms what they believe but denigrate polls when it goes against what they believe.
He is playing head games and winning

He is also keeping his campaign promises or at least trying to
 
Slippery slope. First this…then the churches are attacked or censored…
That slippery slope, as it were, was established in 1789 with the passage of the Bill of Rights, and in particular the First Amendment. The Framers knew all too well how religious tests had been abused.

Do you honestly think an atheist should be forced to swear on oath to God? How does that further the cause of liberty?
 
In general, I’m not opposed to this, unless it prohibits the phrase being used.
It is similar, in my view, to the head wear rules that now allow them in the House. Don’t pick and choose.
 
And that excuses lying? I didn’t notice that mentioned in the Catechism.
Not at all, but who do you follow?

A group that has passed laws that are definitely against God’s law or a man who is keeping his promises to promote God’s law
 
Politics isn’t moral anymore. To the first point, that’s called “false equivalence”, and if one truly believed that then they should have noting to do with politics whether that be voting or even discussing it.

Trump is at least keeping his promises that supports God’s church
Oh, you mean like his adultery; bragging about groping and forceably kissing" women; constant lies; his tax cuts that are hurting the poor and elderly; putting children in cages that the Church bishops and the Pope strongly opposed; his bragging about having “many affairs”; his many racist statements; his hurting public employees for entirely political reasons; etc.

So, what exactly has he done that’s so compatible with the Church other than the issue of abortion even though he’s been Pro-Choice almost all of his life? My thinks it was done for purposes of pandering, especially for the Evangelical vote.

I’ll put it this way: there’s no way one can believe in Trump and believe in Jesus because their actions and what they say on most moral things are polar opposites. One may believe in some things about Trump and some things about Jesus, but like in the Parable of the Sheep & Goats, that’s not enough for the Kingdom of God according to Jesus in Matthew 25.

So, do you believe in the Trump and the Trump-supporting politicians or the Church? I don’t expect politicians to be saints, but neither do I expect them to act like demons.
 
A group that has passed laws that are definitely against God’s law or a man who is keeping his promises to promote God’s law
Note, a person isn’t restricted to those two options.
 
So, what exactly has he done that’s so compatible with the Church other than the issue of abortion even though he’s been Pro-Choice almost all of his life? My thinks it was done for purposes of pandering, especially for the Evangelical vote.
It is not pandering if the results are real.
And thus far, I see results.
 
Oh, you mean like his adultery; bragging about groping and forceably kissing" women; constant lies;
you haven’t been in a men’s bar in the '70s, not GQ today, but back in the day, it was done, especially in new york.
his tax cuts that are hurting the poor and elderly;
Explain exactly how? he is putting more people to work.
putting children in cages
The policy is the same as the past presidents, did you complain then? It was enforced then
My thinks it was done for purposes of pandering, especially for the Evangelical vote.
What did Obama or any Democrat do for the church? what has any Democrat done for the poor? welfare has not helped the poor.
there’s no way one can believe in Trump and believe in Jesus because their actions and what they say on most moral things are polar opposites.
The same can be said for the Democrats. That is why I said you have to support one of them. The Democrats we know support anti-church programs and more than just abortion.
One may believe in some things about Trump and some things about Jesus, but like in the Parable of the Sheep & Goats, that’s not enough for the Kingdom of God according to Jesus in Matthew 25.
Change Trump to Democrats and you arrive at the same place.
So, do you believe in the Trump and the Trump-supporting politicians or the Church? I don’t expect politicians to be saints, but neither do I expect them to act like demons.
Again, change trump for Democrats and you have the same argument.

Trump at least does the most for the church, no matter how he acts. what have the Democrats actually done? They have cost us jobs and made us the money pot of the world
 
Note, a person isn’t restricted to those two options.
Are you suggesting third party? The democrats lost Florida that way. So I hope more democrats vote that way. A conservative court is all I really ask for in politics. It is the best thing a religious person can have to stop states from going rampant anti-religious.
 
Are you suggesting third party?
I haven’t made any implication of party affiliation. The choices presented were neither a proper dichotomy nor the only choices that one has; to conform to group A or to follow individual 1. One can make their own decisions that might not align with those of one of the groups or of any individual.
 
You skirted around the issue that show Trump’s depravity with numerous items that I listed as just some examples, and then you post “false equivalencies” and also a “Johnny did it too!” position that no Christian theologian would ever accept as being morally acceptable.

So, between believing in Trump or Jesus, you’ve made your choice quite clear, so there’s no need for me to take this any further. As Gandhi said, “To cooperate with evil is evil”. Hopefully some day you’ll reconsider where you loyalties are.
 
Not at all, but who do you follow?

A group that has passed laws that are definitely against God’s law or a man who is keeping his promises to promote God’s law
Not supporting one doesn’t mean I have to support the lies of the other.
 
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