Democrats Set Their Sights on Winning Back Catholics

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With all due respect, and this is the reason I changed from Democrat to Independent, I don’t believe that the Democrats really help poor people. I think they talk about it, but I’m not sure that they really help. I remember the “War on Poverty” initiated by Lyndon Johnson. If the plans and programs of the Democrats worked to help people out of poverty, there should be no poor people now because that program is 40 years old.

In thinking of this subject, I am always reminded of the saying “If you give a man a fish, you give him dinner, if you teach a man to fish, you give him food for life.” The plans and programs directed towards the poor in this country don’t work, because we keep “giving them fish”.

Of course there’s also the veritable holocaust of abortion. I saw a statistic (this is more of a world wide statistic, not just this country) that 5000 babies an HOUR were being aborted. Any genocide ever committed on this planet pales in comparison to those numbers. So I cannot support a party or a candidate whose party platform includes abortion rights.
 
estesbob said:
It really is that easy.
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I agree, but arriving at that simple conclusion took me a long time.

When it comes to life issues, I’m a republican.

When it comes to social justice issues other than life issues, I’m a democrat.

But life issues outweigh social justice issues.

Thanks to an article by our parish priest in our diocesan newspaper, I’m a little clearer on the issues.

The republican party (its sincerity I’m not really, really convinced of) beat the democrats to the punch on the life issues.
 
MelanieAnne said:
With all due respect, and this is the reason I changed from Democrat to Independent, I don’t believe that the Democrats really help poor people. I think they talk about it, but I’m not sure that they really help. I remember the “War on Poverty” initiated by Lyndon Johnson. If the plans and programs of the Democrats worked to help people out of poverty, there should be no poor people now because that program is 40 years old.

In thinking of this subject, I am always reminded of the saying “If you give a man a fish, you give him dinner, if you teach a man to fish, you give him food for life.” The plans and programs directed towards the poor in this country don’t work, because we keep “giving them fish”.

Of course there’s also the veritable holocaust of abortion. I saw a statistic (this is more of a world wide statistic, not just this country) that 5000 babies an HOUR were being aborted. Any genocide ever committed on this planet pales in comparison to those numbers. So I cannot support a party or a candidate whose party platform includes abortion rights.
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I agree with you. I was raised in a very Democrat Irish family and we would not have voted for a Republican if our lives depended on it. My first vote for president was for a Democrat. Slowly, but surely, I came to see that what they were doing and wanted to do was not working. I think the GOP goes along with you on the fish story. There are lots of ways to help those less fortunate. You can give things to them and require nothing back, or you can help them learn how to take care of themselves. When things come too easy, they are not appreciated. And there is pride in ownership of something that you have earned. There may be something in between, but politicians being the way they are, that will not happen. The way they are behaving in Washington now is absolutely disgraceful.
 
All,

If you were a democrat or raised in a democrat family are your learning to vote republican? What I mean is, the republicans have talking points on issues like “cycle of dependency for welfare recipients” and “medical spending accounts instead of universal health care.” They have market oriented programs to reduce poverty in replace of minimum wage. The basis of the philosophy is that smaller government and social programs closer to those in need (state and local governments) are better. Since you are considering voting republican on life issues, are you buying the talking points on the other issues as well?

If you are learning to vote republican, then, I guess, you wouldn’t return the Democrats even if they abandoned their anti-life platform.
 
I left the democrat party several years ago. I come from a Catholic, blue-collar background with a belief in the importance of family, emphasis on good morals and, by the example of a strong, determined mother, an emphasis on hard work. The democrat party stopped representing those things to me long ago. I can’t abide abortion, the evil of homosexuality, the feminist agenda, gay marriage, or handouts to anybody who has an excuse not to work for an honest dollar.

Sorry, I will never go back.
 
Maranatha said:
All,

If you were a democrat or raised in a democrat family are your learning to vote republican? What I mean is, the republicans have talking points on issues like “cycle of dependency for welfare recipients” and “medical spending accounts instead of universal health care.” They have market oriented programs to reduce poverty in replace of minimum wage. The basis of the philosophy is that smaller government and social programs closer to those in need (state and local governments) are better. Since you are considering voting republican on life issues, are you buying the talking points on the other issues as well?

If you are learning to vote republican, then, I guess, you wouldn’t return the Democrats even if they abandoned their anti-life platform.
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Yes, I was raised Democrat (in Chicago area), and I quit them in the middle of the Clinton presidencies. However I do think now that letting faith based initiatives take over local needs wastes less money. I will only give money to church organizations for instance- Catholic charity or some church based food pantry. I also know that my 401K and 403B money is a whole lot more than my social security I may get. I am convinced that we should be able to prepare for our own retirement if we are taught how. I am also only convinced the only way to help poverty is to give children an education. I donate to a Catholic high school in the city here that a friend of mine is principal of. It is mainly Hispanic American and these girls are first generation here and need to stay out of gang infested public schools in their area. I am also convinced that the open market does resolve many issues and that government entittlements are an insult to the poor and not a hand up. Now, let me say I am not heartless. However, the only people that I will give money too are Catholic missionaries and helpers. They are not stealing from the poor like so many of out government programs that get robbed by greedy administrators. Yes, I am becomming Republican, one issue at a time. It just happens.
 
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