Democrats Set Their Sights on Winning Back Catholics

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the recent attempts of the democrats to pander to the religious community (without significantly altering their stances that offend said community) remind me of the republicans’ half-hearted attempts to woo minorities to come over to their camp.
I can’t totally agree that the GOP has not done anything to woo minorities. President Bush has appointed more minorities to high positions in the administration than any other president. Several times the president has attended meetings in black churches and with the NAACP and been treated very rudely in the process. Sorry to say, there are some people who make up their minds based on what has been in the past rather than what is in the future.
 
Some individual Democrats are pro-life and also support the traditional definition of family, but the politics of the city and county are solidly pro-abortion/pro-gay.
I don’t disagree here.
The reality is the small number Democratic politicians in the Chicago area who would be supportive of some critical Catholic issues are nothing more than sheep who follow the liberal agenda when called upon to do so in critical votes by either Daley or Gov Blogo.
Here I do disagree. There are solidly pro-life votes in the state legislature and even city council among them. A few were even leading proponents in the gubinitorial campaign of pro-life Democrat Glen Poshard several years back, to the point that the Daley machine had to back off and allow it’s precint captains to push for whoever they personally desired in that primary.

There is also a Democratic contingency within the state legislature (which includes both Chicago area and downstate Democrats) that is always crucial in passing positive legislation or stopping problematic bills.

Blagojevich, himself, has little pull among them. He is largely despised even by the legislators in his own party. House Speaker Mike Madigan is the one who would have more control over many of their votes. And he’s at least tacitly pro-life, though not fervantly. (At worst, we’re better off with him as the leader than whoever would step up to take his place were he to retire.)
 
Notwithstanding that neither party has done anything for the poor since Reagan’s earned income credit, there is something to worry about.
When the economy goes in to recession, the poor get hurt the most. When any government (lead by Dems or Repubs) focuses on ending or avoiding a recession, they are helping the poor (and everyone else).
It may well be that the dems now in control of the party are “Eurocrats” under the skin, and intend to so expand social benefits (likely to the elderly, because they vote in huge numbers, whereas the poor don’t) that American young people will no longer be able to afford to have children, as is the case with Europeans today. Or, at least they won’t perceive being able to do so.
I think it’s the perception. Most couples want the income that two workers bring in and are less willing to sacrifice to have children.

It was recently opined that Europeans don’t have children (Poles excepted) because they don’t have children. In other words, if you do not see any point in living for anyone other than yourself, then you will not live for anyone but yourself. The more you live for yourself only, the more you will be inclined to do so, and support those who provide you with ever more benefits at the expense of those (usually younger folk) who earn. It’s a societal death spiral.
Agreed.
Since I do not see the slightest evidence that the dem party wishes to promote family formation (and all evidence is that they are at least insouciant on the subject, if not negative) dem control of all political power could be the beginning of the Eurospiral in America. That’s truly scary. The dem party is far, far from the party of which I was once an office holder.
The Eurosprial has already begun.
 
I am for whichever candidate does not kill innocent defenseless little babies. For right now that seems to be most often republicans, but the trend is they too are becoming more pro-choice. With that being said, we need more choices preferrably a moral party which isn’t influenced by campaign contributions and has some conviction. If you don’t stand for something you fall for anything.
 
FDR was a dreadful president whose increased spending did nothing to end the Great Depression. I will never consider that man to be a great President.

The Democrat Party used to be for the “little guy”. It hasn’t been for decades. The Democrat Party is owned and operated by the lunatic Left - abortion, gay marriage, Planned Parenthood, NARRAL, the lawyers union (ABA), the teachers union (NEA), envoirnmental extremists, animal “rights” groups, Hollywood…

Between the two, the GOP has the greater room for influence. Politics is a man-made institution and will never be perfect on this Earth. The GOP can be influenced. God knows the Evangelicals have done it.

Now, if one is a “peace and justice crowd” Catholic, as Bill Donahue puts it, and sees the primary role of the Federal Government as dispensing taxpayer-paid assistance to the poor and elderly, then this Catholic will never like the GOP.

The GOP has, and always will have, a small but noisy “moderate” section who does not like religion of any sort and believes in “accomodation” with the Democrats (Arlen Specter). The GOP has its small but equally noisy and in my humble opinion even more obnoxious Libertarian bunch (Jeff Flake, Ron Paul).
The Libertarian bunch is okay with gay marriage, prostitution, porn, abortion, etc. and sees any effort to limit these “rights” as unconstitutional.

My take is that poor people are best assisted by private charities and not government programs.

My observation is that a representative republic works for a moral, generally religious people and nobody else.

The Democrat Party has been on a 40+ year move to emulate the Leftist parties of Western Europe. Its greatest strengths are in the allegedly Catholic Northeastern Corridor and allegedly Catholic West Coast. I fear its soul has been lost.

So many Americans think that once elected, the politicians should simply support what we want. It doesn’t work that way. Letter writing, phone calls, emails - you have to let your elected representatives know what you want done.
You forgot the ACLU
 
Unless the Democrats were to reverse their ideals on the 5 non-negotiables, cut off funding to Planned Parenthood, or supporting the Anti-Religious ACLU, their victimization games, lax defense, and high taxes/socialist policies I have no reason to vote for the Democrats unless there was a situation where a Republican represented a greater evil. Nor do I like the fact that the Democrats rely on those who hide behind “Freedom of Speech,” or “Freedom of the Press,” to spread immorality and abortion in this country.
 
Unless the Democrats were to reverse their ideals on the 5 non-negotiables, cut off funding to Planned Parenthood, or supporting the Anti-Religious ACLU, their victimization games, lax defense, and high taxes/socialist policies I have no reason to vote for the Democrats unless there was a situation where a Republican represented a greater evil. Nor do I like the fact that the Democrats rely on those who hide behind “Freedom of Speech,” or “Freedom of the Press,” to spread immorality and abortion in this country.
But, then, you probably are not the type of Catholic voter who they are courting and trying to win back, anyway.
 
But, then, you probably are not the type of Catholic voter who they are courting and trying to win back, anyway.
Yup, the Democrats just want the bad Catholics 😊

But if you are Catholic and you have principles, believe in right vs wrong, then the Democrats will just try to trick you into believing they are on your side with some of their ‘compassionate’ issues like raising the minimum wage and increasing social program spending (then they will try to slip in the public funding of abortions later, like they attempted to do in Illinois this year).
 
That’s not accurate. A lot of them are, but there are also a number of Catholic Democratic pro-life legislators in the city and the area.

Of course, if you vote Republican in Cook County, you by and large ostracize yourself from having any influence at all in the political process. It’s almost as bad as voting third party just to feel good about standing for something apart.
I am not in Cook County anymore. When I was I was still voting Democrat because well was there any Republicans in Cook County? Our Democrat Catholic Senator is proabortion and I have emailed him several times. He is committed to being proabortion. I do have more choices in the burbs for people that are prolife. Democrats don’t have a very good record, you must admit that. I look it up on the Right to Life reportcard. I am not making this up you must know.

What is really sad is that I know many Catholics in Cook County that really don’t seem to care about life issues.
 
I am not in Cook County anymore. When I was I was still voting Democrat because well was there any Republicans in Cook County?
Used to be that suburban Cook was more widely Republican and someone from that party could carry a Countywide election occasionally. There is one (oh wait maybe two now, not sure about the affiliation of the guy who beat Natarus) Republican aldermen. In the more affluent lakefront districts and in the middle class areas on the fringes of town (the traditional “city employee” neighborhoods) there are enclaves of Republican voters. There are some Republican state legislators from Cook (even within parts of the city) and a couple of the Republican Congressmen have parts of Cook County in their districts. Suburban Cook still has it’s spots of Republican control (along with local village presidents and County Commissioners… and I think one Board of Review member), but it isn’t strong enough to elect anyone from the party except for when there is a certain degree of scandal and outrage about his opponent.

Before the state legislature reformed to streamline itself and eliminate proportional voting, there were more opportunities for opposing factions (such as Republicans in Chicago or Democrats in suburban Cook) to gain a certain degree of foothold occasionally. Now, with that potential long gone, everything gets run by the controlling party at the local level.

Recognize, however, that the Illinois Republican party is, by and large, not at all akin to the national conservative movement Republicans. It’s more of an old skool Eastern Seabord liberal establishment type of party here (what the Illinois conservatives mockingly call “Country Club Republicans”). Which accounts for the liberal social policies of many Illinois Republicans. Some would have considered Illinois to be a Republican state for the last couple of decades while it was run by the likes of Jim Thompson, Jim Edgar, and George Ryan… essentially all socially liberal (despire Ryan’s past as a legislator).
Our Democrat Catholic Senator is proabortion and I have emailed him several times. He is committed to being proabortion.
State Senator or U.S. Senator? Durbin was a pro-life Democrat as a House Congressman, but switched for the money and power when he wanted to rise. Even at the state senator level, however, such a thing is, admittedly, not uncommon.
I do have more choices in the burbs for people that are prolife.
Obviously. (Though an in-city type would probably note that you would have less of a choice of people who support other issues that they find important, also.)
Democrats don’t have a very good record, you must admit that. I look it up on the Right to Life reportcard. I am not making this up you must know.
I’m certainly not defending the ones who vote the “wrong” way. I’m only noting that not “All Democratic” elected officials in the city or state are pro-abort. Indeed, it is usually the downstate Dems and some of the Chicago area ones who stand up to some of the most aggregious errors. Without them, we’d REALLY be lost in the state house.
What is really sad is that I know many Catholics in Cook County that really don’t seem to care about life issues.
I suppose that most people are either apathetic, frustrated (some of them actually WERE fighting fervantly 25 years ago, but never saw progress and gave up), or just don’t see how it affects them and are more concerned about matters which seem to immediately impact their lives.

Considering that polls show (on average) how only what, about 7% or something like that, of voters make this issue a priority of any sort (whether being pro-life or pro-choice) that should not prove in the least surprizing. Those of us who care about it primarily are very much in the minority.
 
Most Catholics are already suppor the dems, I am not sure who they plan to “get back.”
 
Most Catholics are already suppor the dems, I am not sure who they plan to “get back.”
The majority of catholics now vote Republican for the first time ever. That is why the Democrats are so nervous.
 
The majority of catholics now vote Republican for the first time ever. That is why the Democrats are so nervous.
Not true. They voted for the gop in 2004, and only by a slim majority (I think it was 51-49 for the gop). However, in last years elections that went back to normal (55-44 for the dems).
 
Not true. They voted for the gop in 2004, and only by a slim majority (I think it was 51-49 for the gop). However, in last years elections that went back to normal (55-44 for the dems).
Catholic voting patterns could change, and one election does not necessarily predict the future. When I was growing up, virtually every Catholic was a democrat. That’s no longer true, for a variety of reasons. I think it’s also possible, perhaps even likely, that as the Baby Boomer Catholics (the ones who, after all, were the original “Caferteria Catholics”, by and large) age and consider their prospects on the other side of Jordan, they might well rethink what it might mean to support those who support what is, after all, mortal sin. (e.g., abortion, active homosexuality)
 
The Democrats may want to when back Catholics but as long aas the Party Platform remains anti-life and pro-abortion they will not win over this Christian [who also happens to be catholic!]

The Democratic Party says it supports the ‘little guy’, wants to help the poor etc. But the policies they back are anti-family, anti-woment, anti-child, anti-personal responsibilty and enerally anti-christian [IMHO - and I recognize that many feel diferently - but that is my observation and experience]

Now individual democratic politicians are supportable, based upon their core beliefs - as they act upon those core belifs in the arena of public policy and debate. If they only play ‘lip service’ to a belief but vote in opposition, well, they lose my vote…same with republicans, independents, green or whatevr party…
 
Most Catholics are already suppor the dems, I am not sure who they plan to “get back.”
A lot of people jumped to vote for Bush last time, partly out of life concerns. It was frequently suggested by Catholic commentators that if Kerry were pro-life, he would have won in a landslide.

On a larger scale, the Republicans set out to court Catholic voters a couple of presidential cycles ago. This was a new thing for them - trying to be sensitive to Catholic sensibilities. It is where the term “Compassionate Conservativism” came from. They have been somewhat effective. So the Democrats have had to develop a response to regarner the votes of a population which they long took for granted when no one was competing for their support.
 
I’m not all that enamoured with the Republicans either, but if it came down to a choice between the Stupid Party (R) or the Evil Party (D), I will go with the Stupids.
I wish we could get away from the terms “stupid” and “evil”. Republicans aren’t stupid and Democrats aren’t evil.

It is convenient for some to portray Republicans as stupid, including the current president, but it isn’t accurate. Republicans presidents have been portrayed as stupid for as long as I can remember (which is back to Eisenhower) except for Nixon, who was portrayed as a crook (and some would say that Nixon did actually live up to the “crook” description.) But Eisenhower wasn’t stupid & neither was Reagan, Ford, Bush 1 or Bush 2. And saying that they are stupid over and over doesn’t make it so.

Similarly, Democrats are not evil. Some of the positions they espouse are, in the opinions of many, misguided to the point of being evil, but they themselves are not evil.

We need to avoid these terms because no serious dialog can begin when one side believes the other side is either evil or stupid.

And I agree, I wish there was a 3rd party, because I have said for a long time that no party represents me. I also wish, when we voted, we could vote for “none of the above” and if “none of the above” won, then there would have to be a new election and anyone who ran in the last one would be barred from running!
 
Democrats didn’t so much win me back as the Republicans drove me away. Republicans have the right message but the actions seem wrong. Democrats don’t have the message that I like but are acting closer to what I expected the Republicans to follow based on their talk, like doing things to help those in need, and such.

I guess the choice is “Do we want the walk or the talk?” It doesn’t look like we are getting both with either choice.
 
Not true. They voted for the gop in 2004, and only by a slim majority (I think it was 51-49 for the gop). However, in last years elections that went back to normal (55-44 for the dems).
There was an article in our local paper right after the 2004 election. It was on the 'Values Voters".

It seems the more often a Catholic goes to Church, the more likely they were to vote Republican.

The Catholics who rarely
ever attend Mass voted overwhelming Democratic, the Catholics who attend daily Mass voted overwhelmingly Republican.

And this was true across all age brackets.
 
Democrats didn’t so much win me back as the Republicans drove me away. Republicans have the right message but the actions seem wrong. Democrats don’t have the message that I like but are acting closer to what I expected the Republicans to follow based on their talk, like doing things to help those in need, and such.

I guess the choice is “Do we want the walk or the talk?” It doesn’t look like we are getting both with either choice.
So you have aligned yourselves with those who enable the slaughter of 1.2 million children a year? All because you think the Democrats will be nicer to those lucky enough to escape from the womb than the Republicans will ( a fallacy of course but we can leave that discussion for another time).

I have said this before but the most specious argument I see in these debates is “since i dont trust those who say they are pro-life to vote pro life that makes it ok to vote for those who tell me up front the won’t vote pro-life”

Those dismembered and thrown out with the garbage have no rights.
 
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