Democrats' strategy: Start slinging

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I guess when you’ve done nothing but tick off voters this is the only chance you have?😃

WASHINGTON – Democratic candidates across the country are opening a fierce offensive of negative advertisements against Republicans, using lawsuits, tax filings, reports from the Better Business Bureau and even divorce proceedings to try to discredit their opponents and save their congressional majority.

Opposition research and attack advertising are deployed in almost every election, but these biting ads are coming far earlier than ever before, according to party strategists. The campaign has intensified in the past two weeks as early voting begins in several states and as vulnerable incumbents try to fight off an onslaught of influences by outside groups.

startribune.com/politics/national/103795059.html?elr=KArks:DCiUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
 
In politics, the rule is: It doesn’t matter how you play the game, as long as you win. I am not sure why this is news. Both sides will stop at nothing to win. While that is not desirable, that is just the way it is.
 
That’s really bad as the Republicans never resort to negative campaigning.
 
Whenever I see a negative advertisement, after the slamming has occured, I usually look towards whoever “approved” that message as a coward. The only reason that they do it is because it is much easier to just slam your opponent than it is to appeal to a national audience… After all, these ads are usually seen on national tv, where there exist all audience bases.

… But you better believe that when they advertise on Spanish speaking stations, they suddenly become pro-amnesty.
 
With the exception of the election of George Washington to the Office of President of the United States, there has not been an election where mud has not been slung by both sides.

Why do it? … It works. You define your opponent (stupid, lazy, crimminal etc.)

Bottom line is there is nothing new here. Do these ads change my opinion, no, but I am not who these ads are aimed at. I am well informed and frankly opinionated; these adds are aimed at the “squishy” independents who are not as well informed or have not already formed an opinion.
 
Kadaveri said:
That’s really bad as the Republicans never resort to negative campaigning.
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Except when it’s against each other in the preliminaries. A few months ago I remember the two Republicans who were running to be the candidate for California governor were mudslinging at each other like nothing else. It was awful! You couldn’t tell which one was telling the truth or not. Both were saying the other was pro-abortion, bad at business, greedy, etc.

Then again, maybe it’s just California, but I highly doubt it.
 
MoonChild02 said:
Except when it’s against each other in the preliminaries. A few months ago I remember the two Republicans who were running to be the candidate for California governor were mudslinging at each other like nothing else. It was awful! You couldn’t tell which one was telling the truth or not. Both were saying the other was pro-abortion, bad at business, greedy, etc.

Then again, maybe it’s just California, but I highly doubt it.
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Yes, it’s always so handy for your political opponents to do some of the work, huh? Just watch the opponents during the primaries and pick up where they left off…

The sad fact is mudslinging works. If it didn’t, no one would do it. But it does work, so everyone does it. And despite the fact that lots of people say that they abhor the situation, it still works. No one will stop until the method stops working. And that’s up to us, the voters, not the political operatives.

Basically, we have to vote, in huge numbers, against those who indulge in this sort of thing. Then, maybe years and years later, they’ll figure it out. Until that happens, this will be “the way it is”. I doubt the voters will ever send that sort of message, so how will it ever stop?
 
Kadaveri said:
That’s really bad as the Republicans never resort to negative campaigning.
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You did say that say that “tongue in cheek”, sarcastically, or in an attempt to be humourous…right?

In actuality, both sides have been slinging mud at each other for years… Its nothing new.
In fact its so bad, its hard to figure out who is doing it the most. I have yet to see or hear where a candidate has run a campaign without trashing or talking about the opposition.
 
iamrefreshed said:
I guess when you’ve done nothing but tick off voters this is the only chance you have?😃

WASHINGTON – Democratic candidates across the country are opening a fierce offensive of negative advertisements against Republicans, using lawsuits, tax filings, reports from the Better Business Bureau and even divorce proceedings to try to discredit their opponents and save their congressional majority.

Opposition research and attack advertising are deployed in almost every election, but these biting ads are coming far earlier than ever before, according to party strategists. The campaign has intensified in the past two weeks as early voting begins in several states and as vulnerable incumbents try to fight off an onslaught of influences by outside groups.

startribune.com/politics/national/103795059.html?elr=KArks:DCiUec7PaP3E77K_0c::D3aDhUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
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Start slinging? Political assassination has been the Democrat MO for nearly 40 years now. It should be “Continue Slinging”.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Start slinging? Political assassination has been the Democrat MO for nearly 40 years now. It should be “Continue Slinging”.
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You have been badly misinformed. There hasn’t been an election in the last 200+ years where both parties haven’t been slinging mud at each other. BTW, the GOP takes no second place to the Dems at political vituperation; they are equally capable of it and both do excellent jobs of it.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Start slinging? Political assassination has been the Democrat MO for nearly 40 years now. It should be “Continue Slinging”.
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:eek::eek::eek: And Republicans and “Conservatives” have never done it??? Come now, you are kidding right? Aren’t the Republicans the creators of the political tactic now known as “Swiftboating”? And apparently you haven’t spent much time watching Republican candidates… In Florida right now we have a “regular cat-fight going between Rubio and Crist”. Its actually gotten to “comic proportions”… Oh, and lets see, there’s the “Birthers” and how many others???:D:D:D

I’m not even a “democrat”…but I don’t have a “board in my eye” on this issue. Frankly I am embarassed by our politicians…who spend the majority of their time in :slapfight:
 
TEPO said:
The only reason that they do it is because it is much easier to just slam your opponent than it is to appeal to a national audience… After all, these ads are usually seen on national tv, where there exist all audience bases.
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I’m not aware of any candidates this election cycle running television ads nationally. After all, why would a Senate candidate in say California pay extra to reach viewers in Michigan or South Carolinna who can’t vote for him?
 
RobHom said:
:eek::eek::eek: And Republicans and “Conservatives” have never done it??? Come now, you are kidding right? Aren’t the Republicans the creators of the political tactic now known as “Swiftboating”? And apparently you haven’t spent much time watching Republican candidates… In Florida right now we have a “regular cat-fight going between Rubio and Crist”. Its actually gotten to “comic proportions”… Oh, and lets see, there’s the “Birthers” and how many others???:D:D:D

I’m not even a “democrat”…but I don’t have a “board in my eye” on this issue. Frankly I am embarassed by our politicians…who spend the majority of their time in :slapfight:
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Swiftboating? You mean the group of brown water sailors from Vietnam who came forward, of their own volition, to speak on behalf of their own honor to defend themselves against John Kerry’s slanderous attacks on the military during and after the Vietnam War? That “Swiftboating” is a creation of the leftist media pulling a Sal Alinski. A group formed for the purpose of opposing John Murtha’s reelection to Congress, Vets for the Truth, posts at its website a definition of “swiftboating” as “exposing the lies, deceit and fraud of self-glorifying public officials or candidates for office who exaggerate their military service by lying about their feats of heroism and combat wounds.”
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Swiftboating? You mean the group of brown water sailors from Vietnam who came forward, of their own volition, to speak on behalf of their own honor to defend themselves against John Kerry’s slanderous attacks on the military during and after the Vietnam War? That “Swiftboating” is a creation of the leftist media pulling a Sal Alinski. A group formed for the purpose of opposing John Murtha’s reelection to Congress, Vets for the Truth, posts at its website a definition of “swiftboating” as “exposing the lies, deceit and fraud of self-glorifying public officials or candidates for office who exaggerate their military service by lying about their feats of heroism and combat wounds.”
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No, the point that I made was that the “Republicans” that came forward, ig; the “ardent Bush supporters” that made a great effort and point to run attacks against an opponent.

I am a Vietnam Veteran…I spent over two years there in a continuous tour… Oct 68 to Dec 70…and if you think we were “blameless” during that conflict, you are mistaken. It was a nasty, dastardly, micromanaged war run by idiots in Washington DC by Congress and other idiots… Don’t you dare for a minute think that I am denigrating the service of any man or woman who served there. 58,718 of my brothers and sisters in arms died in that war…and 20 something years later McNamara, one of the architects of that war wrote a book acknowledging that it was a freaking mistake and they knew it could not be won…and said so on TV…in a tearful confession…while trying to hype sales of the book.

At least Kerry served, as opposed to some of your heroes. Where was Bush during Vietnam? Answer: Safe in the reserves, where he has always refused to make public his records. Where was Cheney? He was having a good old time going to college with his 5 or was it 6 “deferments”…and later quoted when asked as to why he never served in the military, is quoted as saying “I had better things to do”. Wow. what a patriot!!

Murtha: A decorated Marine who served his country. How dare you slander a Veteran for the service he has rendered!! bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2005/11/murthas-military-decorations-gop.html And do you actually think that the Secretary of the Navy would actually have the stones to name a ship after Murtha if the bogus claims against him were true? navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=52834

How about you provide a link for Vets for Truth…considering that there are a number of them…one of which even claims that Ann Coulter is trans-gender and formerly a man…
hoolinet.com/StrapOnVets/tabid/278/Default.aspx

Frankly I find it amazing that a “group of brown water sailors” had the right to speak for all of us in Vietnam!! My, my…talk about self-aggranizement!! Wow, were they on the same mountain as I was on the Cambodian border? Were they in the field with our troops? Were they leg infantry? Were they airborne troops fighting the NVA in the jungle?
Were they nominated as “spokesmen” for all Vietnam Veterans?? The simple answer is NO! They were merely a “tool” used by a political party, that "ceased its operations on May 31, 2008. If they were so interested in the “truth” about Vietnam…why did they cease operations? Simple…they were a political “tool” that’s all.

My bottom line: IF YOU WEREN’T THERE, AND YOU DIDN’T SERVE IN THE MIDST OF IT…SHUT UP AND DON’T QUOTE TRASH!! THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO WERE THERE, AND ACTUALLY KNOW THE REALITY OF THAT WAR, AND IT DOESN’T AGREE WITH A PACK OF POLITICAL HACKS… I served my country for 10 years…a true privilege to be certain, but I will reiterate: Don’t believe everything you hear from political hacks just because it sounds good…because it more than likely will fall under the category of: If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!

I was the Team Leader of Team 2, 69th Infantry Detachment (GSR) assigned to MACV IV Corps, positioned on the Vietnamese border or Cambodia to interdict the VC and NVA infiltrations into Vietnam. I was a “forward observer” controlling 2 separate artillery batteries…

Check your sources…even if they “tickle your fancy”… afterall… My Lai really did happen
though our wrongs were greatly exceeded by the VC and NVA… But all the same, the truth is the truth.

The strangest dichotomy of all is that we were micromanaged by Washington DC, and yet expected to win a war with our hands tied behind our backs against an enemy that did not sign or respect the Geneva Conventions yet loved to file complaints based on it…
 
RobHom, my husband retired from the Army after 20 years, including several tours in Vietnam. What you wrote could have come straight from his mouth.

Thank you for your service. And thank you for speaking up for the veterans.
 
I’ve decided to ignore all TV campaign ads and simply read up on the candidates. That way, I can avoid the deep, serious/incredulous tones of the various people reading their scripts as emotion inducing images flash on the screen. I’m tired of wasting my time watching such nonsense and I encourage others to do the same. If we consider ourselves intelligent and realize such ads don’t appeal to our intelligence but our emotions and skew the person’s record to present him or her in a lot less favorable light - forget the TV. Do your own research. Get the facts.

If politicians think that spending millions to generate anger and/or fear about what their opponent might do if elected, you can at least save your time by not watching some commercial and put it into informing yourself.

And forget opinions. Get some voting record facts from credible sources.

God bless,
Ed

I have no party affiliation.
 
Excellent plan, Ed. If everybody did that, the spinmasters on both sides would have to find something productive to do.
edwest2 said:
I’ve decided to ignore all TV campaign ads and simply read up on the candidates. That way, I can avoid the deep, serious/incredulous tones of the various people reading their scripts as emotion inducing images flash on the screen. I’m tired of wasting my time watching such nonsense and I encourage others to do the same. If we consider ourselves intelligent and realize such ads don’t appeal to our intelligence but our emotions and skew the person’s record to present him or her in a lot less favorable light - forget the TV. Do your own research. Get the facts.

If politicians think that spending millions to generate anger and/or fear about what their opponent might do if elected, you can at least save your time by not watching some commercial and put it into informing yourself.

And forget opinions. Get some voting record facts from credible sources.

God bless,
Ed

I have no party affiliation.
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