Democrats... The Pro Life Party

[anamchara]

We CANNOT stop abortion until people’s hearts change - not their financial picture. Rich people have abortions about as much as poor people.
**You feel that throwing money at this evil will make it go away. What color is the sky in your world? **Abortion will continue as long as people see it as a convenient option.
My father was a janitor and my parents raised 13 children so don’t give me the “poor” excuse. There are enough social programs in this country for people to milk - and they do. Heaping more money on the problem won’t help.
Get it through your head - ABORTION IS EVIL - being poor isn’t.
Either you’re pro-life or you’re not. PERIOD.

There is no reason to yell and that is what your tone here feels like. You are so blinded by your own passion that you have misunderstood my words. I never said anything about ecomonics, the word poor as in having peity for these young girls who make this decision and later have to live with it. I have empathy for the victims, this is not evil to want to help them. If you go back and read my posts my focus is on conversion of the hearts of those who believe abortion is the way to go.

There have been plenty of priests and nuns who have started counseling centers right across the street, in some cases, of the abortion clinics to help these women. Even holding prayer vigils.

I believe we need more money for crises clinics so these girls have a safe heaven. I don’t believe in yelling and calling pro-choice people murders. We will not change their hearts this way. We need to work together to due away with abortions all together. If we can’t change the law then lets work on hearts.

I choose Christ in this and use charity not anger. If you see this as evil then we have nothing further to say to each other.

 

[elvisman]

I believe we need more money for crises clinics so these girls have a safe heaven. I don’t believe in yelling and calling pro-choice people murders. We will not change their hearts this way. We need to work together to due away with abortions all together. If we can’t change the law then lets work on hearts.

I choose Christ in this and use charity not anger. If you see this as evil then we have nothing further to say to each other.

****If you are taking this as a personal insult - that is NOT my motive or intention. ****It is r**ighteous anger that abhors the killing of innocent children. Jesus himself showed righteous anger at the merchants in the temple as he drove them out.
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This thread is about the Democratic Party being the Pro-Life Party. They tend to throw money at all the nation’s problems and think that this is the way you solve them. Well - it AIN’T. Part of this problem would be solved if people stopped believing in the secular lies about abortion. As Christians we - THEY (the unborn) - CANNOT afford to beat around the bush on this issue. Millions of children are murdered every year by abortions, which is part of the Democratice party platform!
If I sound angry about that - you’re right! YOU should be, too.
It is estimated by historians that the Holy Innocents who were murdered by Herod after the birth of our Lord Jesus numbered about 200 or less.
1.5 million children will be murdered this year by abortion and it is not only condoned, but ENDORSED by the Democratic Party.

 

[Valke2]

Endorsed? How?

Throwing money at a problem may not always work (this is called funding solutions). But it has been known to succeed.

Withholding money from programs meant to help people may not be the best method.

 

[Eschato]

Regardless of which political party gets more done to limit abortions, the fact remains that MOST Americans favor the availability of abortion. Therefore, laws may be adjusted a little here and there, but abortion will continue to be available throughout America unless there is a conversion of the American person at the heart level.

That is why I don’t vote on the issue of abortion alone. I think it is a mistake for us to spend so much time and money trying to do what is perceived by pagans and atheists as “ramming our religion down their throats” via the law.

It has been said by some commentators, and I agree, that Republicans don’t really want an end to legal abortion. It is one of their bread and butter issues. If abortion became illegal again, there’d be a tremendous liberal-atheist-pagan backlash that would drive Republicans from office for the next generation. So, they dance around abortion, using it as their money issue, but never really doing anything to stop it, apart from lip service.

Actually, 52% of americans believe that abortions shouldn't be made available at all. So....... yeah. Therefore, if most americans believed that abortions should be legal they would have to be a 53% majority. I contend that there will never be a 105% population in the United States.

 

[elvisman]

Endorsed? How?

Throwing money at a problem may not always work (this is called funding solutions). But it has been known to succeed.

Withholding money from programs meant to help people may not be the best method.

HOW is it endorsed?? Are you serious??
This is from the official Democratic Party Platform:
"Because webelieve in the privacy and equality of women, we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose,consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against REPUBLICAN efforts to undermine that right." THEY are the Pro-Life Party???
Does THAT spell it out CLEARLY enough for you?
SOLUTIONS??
Throwing money at problems WON’T work until you change hearts and minds of the people.
Abortion is a moral wrong but since it is supported by and paid for by the government, it CAN’T be wrong – RIGHT?
Welfare has been a miserable failure because people see it as “free money” and have no motivation to work – but, it’s okay because the government says so – RIGHT?
WRONG.
It is well documented that Government handouts have created a nation of entitlement. People have come to DEMAND this special entitlement. The original purpose of the government (if you know the Constitution) was to protect the people from enemies – foreign and domestic.
Just WHO is protecting the unborn from these DOMESTIC enemies??
Nearly 25% of all pregnancies in the United States ends in abortion – this, according to Planned Parenthood’s own Guttmacher Institute. The fact that the most dangerous place for a child is in the womb of the mother is a travesty of GARGANTUAN proportions.
I FEAR for a nation that thumbs its nose at Almighty God in such a horrific manner and I decry a political party that endorses the funding of this insane horror.

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[Larry1700]

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

Well said, Elvisman!!!

 

[Valke2]

It also occurs natually in15-40%of all pregnancies. So if you think it is a traversty that the most dangeous place for a baby is in the womb, talk to God.
And the website says women choose abortion in less than 25%…

 

[2shelbys]

It also occurs natually in15-40%of all pregnancies. So if you think it is a traversty that the most dangeous place for a baby is in the womb, talk to God.
And the website says women choose abortion in less than 25%…

HAHAHAHA. I guess you have finally realized that you don’t have a leg to stand on if you are offering up nonsense like this. You have obviously been reading the propaganda put out by PP and the other murderers that include a ficticious estimate of how many miscarriages women have but never know about, as though there is any way to come up with an accurate number for that.

 

[christianley]

The fact is that there are less abortions in the United States when democrats are in power then when republicans are in power. This is attributed to the fact that there is generally more funding made available for health care for women when the demo’s control things.

So if abortion is a hot button issue for you, it seems that Catholics should be voting democratic. Results over rhetoric.

If Democrats want my vote they will have to do at least two things – they will have to support a marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman and they will have to declare that life begins at conception and is worthy of protection. They may have some good economic ideas (though I haven’t seen them yet), but they will definitely have to change their position on marriage and the protection of all human life before I can even consider voting for any Democrat, even one who declares he/she is pro-life. I actually think the time is ripe for a socially conservative third party to arise in America because the other two parties have so utterly failed to protect our culture.

 

[elvisman]

It also occurs natually in15-40%of all pregnancies. So if you think it is a traversty that the most dangeous place for a baby is in the womb, talk to God.
And the website says women choose abortion in less than 25%…

I said, “NEARLY 25%”. Last time I checked, 24% was REALLY close to 25%.
You’re splitting hairs now.
If the Democratic Party endorses a fraction of that number - it has taken a stand for evil.

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[YADA]

Please remember that the Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood. However, here is an analysis of the [false] claim that abortions increased under Bush…

factcheck.org/article330.html

 

[Valke2]

HAHAHAHA. I guess you have finally realized that you don’t have a leg to stand on if you are offering up nonsense like this. You have obviously been reading the propaganda put out by PP and the other murderers that include a ficticious estimate of how many miscarriages women have but never know about, as though there is any way to come up with an accurate number for that.

I thought nonsense was a prerequiste here. I’m reading the PP website because that is what was cited to. Why are you disputing the miscarriage statistics? And more importantly, what motive does PP have to do so?

 

[2shelbys]

I thought nonsense was a prerequiste here. I’m reading the PP website because that is what was cited to. Why are you disputing the miscarriage statistics? And more importantly, what motive does PP have to do so?

Are you serious??? Why dispute their numbers for miscarriages that the woman involved did not even know about? You HAVE to be kidding but OK’ I’ll explain. If a woman is not aware that she was pregnant and had a miscarriage, how thw heck does PP know about it??? Simple, THEY MADE IT UP. As far as motive goes you made that clear yourself. They think it helps make them look better if they can artificially inflate the number of deaths by other causes even though all of the other causes are un-intentional, unlike their murders. You used the fake statistics in that very way.

 

[Valke2]

in 1999 the CDC says there were 1,000,000 miscarriages and stillbirths. This does not include the unreported and unknown miscarriages. That number was about 15% of all pregnancies in the US. I hardly think a total of 40% is unfounded. But feel free to do your own research.

 

[mary_bobo]

Please remember that the Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood. However, here is an analysis of the [false] claim that abortions increased under Bush…

factcheck.org/article330.html

Thanks for the post.

 

[YADA]

Thanks,

here is a link to the news release from Guttmacher regarding the continuing downward trend:

guttmacher.org/media/nr/2005/05/19/index.html

This look at the statistics was directly linked to the reports about a rise in abortions under Bush.

As noted in the earlier linked debunking article [for those who do not take the time to read carefully]:

The Guttmacher Institute found that two of the states Stassen used had unreliable reporting systems. In Colorado , for instance, where Stassen claimed that rates “skyrocketed 111 percent,” the reporting procedure had been recently changed in order to compensate for historic underreporting. Guttmacher also found Arizona had an inconsistent reporting system

 

[2shelbys]

in 1999 the CDC says there were 1,000,000 miscarriages and stillbirths. This does not include the unreported and unknown miscarriages. That number was about 15% of all pregnancies in the US. I hardly think a total of 40% is unfounded. But feel free to do your own research.

And what research have you done or what qualifications do you have to justify inflating their numbers by 260%? Do you actually believe that for every woman that has a known pregnancy end in misacrriage there are two-and-a-half times as many that never knew they were pregnant or that they had a miscarriage? And you base this on what exactly???

 

[Valke2]

And what research have you done or what qualifications do you have to justify inflating their numbers by 260%? Do you actually believe that for every woman that has a known pregnancy end in misacrriage there are two-and-a-half times as many that never knew they were pregnant or that they had a miscarriage? And you base this on what exactly???

I’m not inflating anything. The number for miscarriages does not include, as far as I can tell, miscarriages that occur every day and are unknown to the mother.

 

[Valke2]

And what research have you done or what qualifications do you have to justify inflating their numbers by 260%? Do you actually believe that for every woman that has a known pregnancy end in misacrriage there are two-and-a-half times as many that never knew they were pregnant or that they had a miscarriage? And you base this on what exactly???

On average, one in five pregnancies will end in a miscarriage - and some research shows that there are up to 800,000 miscarriages a year in the United States.
kidshealth.org/parent/medical/sexual/miscarriage.html

the general figure for all miscarriages is thought to be around 20 percent.
askdrsears.com/html/1/T011303.asp

As many as 50 percent of all pregnancies may end in miscarriage, because many losses occur before a woman realizes she is pregnant. Wilcox, A.J., et al. Incidence of Early Loss of Pregnancy. (New England Journal of Medicine, volume 319, number 4, July 1988, pages 189-194.) Cited on the March of Dimes website.

About 15 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, and more than 80 percent of these losses happen before 12 weeks. This doesn’t include situations in which you lose a fertilized egg before you get a positive pregnancy test. Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before a woman finds out she’s pregnant. babycenter.com/refcap/pregnancy/pregcomplications/252.html

About one-third of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant.
clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/2700/2796.asp?index=9688&src=news

Miscarriages are a very frequent complication of pregnancy. 15%% of pregnancies are end with a miscarriage, but with this rate, the very early (and unknown ones) are not included, and the real rate is estimated to be 30%
obgyn.net/women/women.asp?page=/women/features/miscar_kom

 

[jack_hawkins]

I can understand and appreciate it, I just hope I never have to be in such a position. I just watched an excellent film called “Out of the Ashes” about a Jewish German gynecologist who was in Auschwitz. On her first day, she learned that pregnant women were taken immediately to the gas chamber. After that, she aborted 1000 women during her stay there, in the hope they could survive, and get pregnant again after they were liberated.

and what would be the Catholic position on her actions?