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2shelbys
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Who are you trying to fool? Yourself? Listing all of the hardcore liberals as “should be” Pro-Life is supposed to convince anyone that you are correct?
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JoeyWarren
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And that is an undeniable fact.my point was that the better things are economically for the lower class, the less abortions there are.
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2shelbys
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Try and find some solid evidence for that claim.my point was that the better things are economically for the lower class, the less abortions there are.
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2shelbys
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Evidence???And that is an undeniable fact.
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dmelosi
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I have to ask what the most important life issue is to you?
And that is an undeniable fact.
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mary_bobo
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Creditable facts, please.And that is an undeniable fact.
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Researcher
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My dear Valke2,
If you are a person of God, then you would be apposed to abortion. Even if you are a secularist you can still be apposed to abortion as this does not require a faith in God, but mearly an ability to reason.
If you are a person of God, then you will reject artificial contraception. Why? Because through the action that creates life you have placed a barrier between humanity and God. And why would a person of God choose to do this?
We are beginning to see that the very existance of humanity is being threatened by contraception and abortion. Birth rates in nearly all western cultures is declining fast.
The marter of the 21st century will be the willing mother of many children.
If you are a person of God, then you would be apposed to abortion. Even if you are a secularist you can still be apposed to abortion as this does not require a faith in God, but mearly an ability to reason.
If you are a person of God, then you will reject artificial contraception. Why? Because through the action that creates life you have placed a barrier between humanity and God. And why would a person of God choose to do this?
We are beginning to see that the very existance of humanity is being threatened by contraception and abortion. Birth rates in nearly all western cultures is declining fast.
The marter of the 21st century will be the willing mother of many children.
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kangnamdragon
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It costs nothing to give a child up for adoption.And that is an undeniable fact.
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Valke2
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It costs education, medical care, job security…It costs nothing to give a child up for adoption.
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Valke2
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And if I am not opposed to abortion, I am not a person of God? And why even bring this up? My OP simply proposed that there are less abortions when democrats are in power, because they tend to emphasize health care and better living conditions for the lower class.My dear Valke2,
If you are a person of God, then you would be apposed to abortion. Even if you are a secularist you can still be apposed to abortion as this does not require a faith in God, but mearly an ability to reason.
If you are a person of God, then you will reject artificial contraception. Why? Because through the action that creates life you have placed a barrier between humanity and God. And why would a person of God choose to do this?
We are beginning to see that the very existance of humanity is being threatened by contraception and abortion. Birth rates in nearly all western cultures is declining fast.
The marter of the 21st century will be the willing mother of many children.
I don’t abortions are responsible for any significant decline in population, assuming for the moment that would be a bad thing. I’m less intersted in making maryters than I am in making a world that doesn’t need maryters.
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If you are not opposed to abortion you certainly not are a person of God. How could it be otherwise? Do you claim to have the authority over good and evil? If so, how is your belief any differnet from that of Adam and Eve?
I stated that abortions and artificial contraception are responsible for the decline in birth rates.
The world will always need martyrs. A martyr is a witness to the faith. We think of those in the early church who gave this witness even in the face of death. This is the ultimate sacrafic. Being a mother of many children is also a great sacrafic by the mother who sacrafices her own life so that others may live.
I stated that abortions and artificial contraception are responsible for the decline in birth rates.
The world will always need martyrs. A martyr is a witness to the faith. We think of those in the early church who gave this witness even in the face of death. This is the ultimate sacrafic. Being a mother of many children is also a great sacrafic by the mother who sacrafices her own life so that others may live.
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2shelbys
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Oh really? How?It costs education, medical care, job security…
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2shelbys
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And your OP is still completely unsupported and false. Also, it is quite funny that you keep talking about actions and results meaning more than words and yet you are one of the few people I know of that has not figured out that the Dems talk constantly about 'the poor" and “the working class” and NEVER do anything for them. They only do things TO them like raising taxes, passing restrictions on personal freedoms, telling them what they can and can not do, say, or think. They always talk about “tolerance” and yet they are the most intolerant people on the planet. Just look at what they did to Joe Lieberman for not towing the line just a few short years after he was one of their top stars. Man you need to wake up and take a look around. Just look at the title of your thread. Go ask ANY Democrat politician if the party is Pro-Life and see what answer you get. In spite of being very steadfast about my positions I always strive to maintain an air of charity but threads like this, the premise of which are so blatantly inept, make it very hard.And if I am not opposed to abortion, I am not a person of God? And why even bring this up? My OP simply proposed that there are less abortions when democrats are in power, because they tend to emphasize health care and better living conditions for the lower class.
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Valke2
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Strive harder.I always strive to maintain an air of charity but threads like this, the premise of which are so blatantly inept, make it very hard.
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mary_bobo
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I do not understand. Please illuminate. Who bears the costs of education, medical, job security as stated above.It costs education, medical care, job security…
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Valke2
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When somene says it costs nothing to give a child up for adoption they are ignoring the fact that the mother has to be able to afford to carry the child to term. That her job has to be waiting for her when she’s done with maternity (or that she won’t be fired for being pregnant). She has to know of the availability of adoption and how to go about it. And she has to be able to get adequate prenatal care.I do not understand. Please illuminate. Who bears the costs of education, medical, job security as stated above.
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jack_hawkins
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very good point:thumbsup:The fact is that there are less abortions in the United States when democrats are in power then when republicans are in power. This is attributed to the fact that there is generally more funding made available for health care for women when the demo’s control things.
So if abortion is a hot button issue for you, it seems that Catholics should be voting democratic. Results over rhetoric.
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dmelosi
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Guilt is causing you to try to “grey” a black and white issue. You are arguing that death is better than life.
When somene says it costs nothing to give a child up for adoption they are ignoring the fact that the mother has to be able to afford to carry the child to term. That her job has to be waiting for her when she’s done with maternity (or that she won’t be fired for being pregnant). She has to know of the availability of adoption and how to go about it. And she has to be able to get adequate prenatal care.
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mary_bobo
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Many adoptions provide that the new parents will pay all the expenses of the pregnant mother. Most pregnant women who work do so during pregnancy. And can a company fire someone for being pregnant? I thought that had been taken care of by the government in their discrimination legislation.When somene says it costs nothing to give a child up for adoption they are ignoring the fact that the mother has to be able to afford to carry the child to term. That her job has to be waiting for her when she’s done with maternity (or that she won’t be fired for being pregnant). She has to know of the availability of adoption and how to go about it. And she has to be able to get adequate prenatal care.
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az_4_faith
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As believers in the One Creator, we are never allowed to turn to evil to solve our difficulties because we have not risen to the challenge of helping our brothers and sisters in need.When somene says it costs nothing to give a child up for adoption they are ignoring the fact that the mother has to be able to afford to carry the child to term. That her job has to be waiting for her when she’s done with maternity (or that she won’t be fired for being pregnant). She has to know of the availability of adoption and how to go about it. And she has to be able to get adequate prenatal care.
To do it forcibaly (involuntary taxation), as the Democrats propose, is wrong. Even though tithing in the church is a mandate by God (giving one’s first-fruits before all else), it is not forced, it is left up to the responsibility of each individual.
To provide help and support to women with unplanned pregnancies should be done privately, charitably and voluntarily.
This is the mindset that needs to be fixed. We, as a Church and as individuals, must work to inspire all people to willingly help one another, but not by force. This requires a change of heart. Involuntary taxation by the government does nothing to connect people to other people.
As people of God, this is a no brainer. While not compromising our beliefs in the proper order of marriage and procreation, we do not turn our backs on women in times of stress.
And we never, ever consider abortion a viable alternative.
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