Demonic strategy

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AlanFromWichita said:
This is why it took me 11 years.

Throughout the Dark Night I was constantly reminded of the limitations of my own thoughts, and any sinful tendencies were exposed as in floodlight. So even my most extreme thoughts, I hold tentatively lest they suppose to be extraordinarily extreme.

I am capable of giving myself very complex instructions – and for now let’s just say by self-talk – which are very robust in terms of not leaving outs or ambiguities. Turns out I can hardly ever do that in an absolute sense purely from thinking thoughts, but with body language, choreography, even somewhat of a “dance” can help. There’s more than that, but it’s just details of how I did it for myself. I know these things are complex but they do have limits. I know because I found them and sure I still have a bit of purging to do, because after two weeks since my Dark Night was “officially” over (says I anyway) I still feel some effects. Often these manifest as microexpressions but if I’m typing they can get into my fingers, too.

Alan
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“So even my most extreme thoughts, I hold tentatively lest they suppose to be extraordinarily extreme.”

LOL that was funny.

hang in there man. Remember to apply anti-virus.
 
FaithintheSon, thanks for answering my question about what territorial meant. I’m wondering how someone can tell if a problem in their life is caused by a demon or not. I’d imagine one would pray about it, but are you aware of any concrete examples of how someone can tell in case they pray about it and haven’t been able to pick up on a response?

Also, for what it’s worth, I used to suffer from pretty bad depression and anxiety, and I even went on anti-anxiety meds which helped slightly. After I went off them things were worse than before, so I’d say it wasn’t “cured” it was just temporarily “covered up.” It wasn’t until I started to take my faith more seriously that things began to improve, and now that i’ve been going to daily mass and taking communion more often, it has disappeared. I mean really disappeared. Just wanted to throw that out there 🙂 And thank you for this thread, I am learning a lot.
 
IBombAtomically said:
FaithintheSon, thanks for answering my question about what territorial meant. I’m wondering how someone can tell if a problem in their life is caused by a demon or not. I’d imagine one would pray about it, but are you aware of any concrete examples of how someone can tell in case they pray about it and haven’t been able to pick up on a response?

Also, for what it’s worth, I used to suffer from pretty bad depression and anxiety, and I even went on anti-anxiety meds which helped slightly. After I went off them things were worse than before, so I’d say it wasn’t “cured” it was just temporarily “covered up.” It wasn’t until I started to take my faith more seriously that things began to improve, and now that i’ve been going to daily mass and taking communion more often, it has disappeared. I mean really disappeared. Just wanted to throw that out there 🙂 And thank you for this thread, I am learning a lot.
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If you are unable to pick up on a response when you pray, you have to assume one of 2 things
  1. it is not demons
  2. If it is a demon or demons, God does not want you to know that it is or He would make sure you knew.
There is no way to know if God won’t reveal it to you. So there is no point in over-thinking things. Depression and anxiety could be a result of a lot of things, including just sinning without confessing it to our Lord or not receiving His body and blood.
 
IBombAtomically said:
Also, for what it’s worth, I used to suffer from pretty bad depression and anxiety, and I even went on anti-anxiety meds which helped slightly. After I went off them things were worse than before, so I’d say it wasn’t “cured” it was just temporarily “covered up.” It wasn’t until I started to take my faith more seriously that things began to improve, and now that i’ve been going to daily mass and taking communion more often, it has disappeared. I mean really disappeared. Just wanted to throw that out there 🙂 And thank you for this thread, I am learning a lot.
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Yes. Medicine does not correct the problem; it only deals with the symptoms which is the anxiety. So medicine helps hold us together while we are healing. The true healing comes from the Lord, as you are finding! 🙂

Alan
 
I think ‘faith healers’ are nothing more than people who have demons with higher authority ordering demons in the sick person to move. Not leave the sick but just move for example from the liver to the brain if we were talking about cancer hey presto the liver cancer’s gone and 6 months later the brain cancer starts.

Faith healers should not be confused with miracles that are performed at the hands of believers.
 
Aussieman88 said:
I think ‘faith healers’ are nothing more than people who have demons with higher authority ordering demons in the sick person to move. Not leave the sick but just move for example from the liver to the brain if we were talking about cancer hey presto the liver cancer’s gone and 6 months later the brain cancer starts.

Faith healers should not be confused with miracles that are performed at the hands of believers.
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From your standpoint, how can one then tell the difference between a “faith healer” and “believer” before it’s too late?
 
You can’t.
The whole theory holds no water.

Hands of believers are not what heals, the Lord is the one who heals.
 
I recently listened to the testimony of an ex-satanist who converted back to Catholicism. She says demons are super intelligent, hateful, and always conspiring BUT they are defeated and run away by the simplest things. She herself can see both demons and angels (at times, not all the time). She now has a ministry that has a 100% success rate helping those who are oppressed. Anyhow, the simple solution is Mary. She said that by praying the rosary demons will scatter for at least 24 hours. She will not even work with anyone who will not invoke Our Lady. She has been begged by protestant ministers to help them but she tells them, “I cannot help you unless you invoke Our Lady.”

She also says that the more acts of Love (something kind for someone) that you do the farther they stay away from you. She said, “Love confuses them.”
 
Regarding the subject of ‘faith healers’, which covers a broad spectrum of spiritual quacks, presumers, or self-deceived, prayer and praise intercessors, anointers, and laying on hands folk.

In my experience of either being oppressed, or possessed for the first forty years of my life, I was delivered through the combination of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and the scriptures, and prayerful intercession from non-Catholic ministers of the gospel.

Within the Catholic Church I would have needed a competent spiritual director, or exorcist. Not to take anything away what a previous poster has said, but the praying of the rosary was common in my family growing up, but that did not deliver me.

Perhaps if I had gone through the dark night of the senses for another 10 years, I may have eventually been delivered without outside intervention from humble, non-Catholic prayer and praise ministers of the gospel.

Once one is delivered, the holy Eucharist is a powerful deterrent from continued oppression from the enemy of our souls, and I would include the rosary also for those who have that experience. “And more acts of God’s love”, not withstanding.

So I am very thankful for many within the body of Christ, who have contributed in my own healing and deliverance by their humble obedience to God in our Lord Jesus Christ.

God’s peace

micah
 
AlanFromWichita said:
I don’t want to sound freaky either. But there are some things that seem evident.

I like the way you are looking at this. I was also able to conquer some of my own demons, by modeling, analyzing, and testing them as if they were computer programs running in my brain. I’ve never written about it, so I don’t know how to describe most of it, right offhand. I got the idea from “daemons” which is a computer term for programs – usually I think of small ones that give a machine its behavior characteristics. Windows has gazillions of them running around – that’s why it’s complicated and sometimes buggy.

Actually I like to talk about demons in a sterile, academic way because then they can’t yank my strings while I’m doing so. 🤓

The thing about “demons” is they get around in the subconscious mind and give us emotional and mental reflexes we didn’t know we had, and don’t know where they come from. They interact in various ways that complicate identifying any particular one. You can even tentatively name them, but they may not answer to that name or behave the way you’d expect. For example, one that is closely related to “lust” may at first appear to be something else, such as “gluttony.” (I’m not saying those are demon names, but I’m using as example.) Both cause excesses in material things, but they have some slightly different characteristics. So I think to really be a demon slayer you have to be very honest and open with yourself about your own sinfulness. Easier said than done, but once done it seems stupidly easy to have done it. :knight2:

Alan
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Interesting, Alan.
 
FaithInTheSon said:
As in dwell in a building or a car or any measurable amount of 3 dimensional space, and try to scare people off and/or torment any who go there.
I believe this is probably false and a trick. Why would they risk the manifestation? They are not stupid.

If people become too afraid of demons they are more likely to turn to God. The demons know this. That makes manifestation counter-productive to their agenda. Unless they are trying to instill fear, and it is as basic as that. Either way, this seems to contradict what we know about them.
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Good thoughts.
 
Lady_Love said:
I recently listened to the testimony of an ex-satanist who converted back to Catholicism. She says demons are super intelligent, hateful, and always conspiring BUT they are defeated and run away by the simplest things. She herself can see both demons and angels (at times, not all the time). She now has a ministry that has a 100% success rate helping those who are oppressed. Anyhow, the simple solution is Mary. She said that by praying the rosary demons will scatter for at least 24 hours. She will not even work with anyone who will not invoke Our Lady. She has been begged by protestant ministers to help them but she tells them, “I cannot help you unless you invoke Our Lady.”

She also says that the more acts of Love (something kind for someone) that you do the farther they stay away from you. She said, “Love confuses them.”
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Thanks, Lady Love, I will employ some of this.
 
FaithInTheSon said:
Why would they risk the manifestation? They are not stupid.
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I was thinking. Maybe it is God who makes US aware of them for our own protection. He is the one who brings things to light.

Who knows, maybe they are just as shocked that we can see them…since they don’t want to be seen.
 
Lady_Love said:
Who knows, maybe they are just as shocked that we can see them…since they don’t want to be seen.
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In all honesty, does it really matter? They can’t even rampage like their fictional counterparts. Otherwise, I’d have myself a new side job. 😛
 
Lost_Wanderer said:
In all honesty, does it really matter? They can’t even rampage like their fictional counterparts. Otherwise, I’d have myself a new side job. 😛
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“new side job” – 😃

I figure it doesn’t matter if we don’t mind being possessed by stealth demons. :knight1:

Alan
 
FaithInTheSon said:
Alan how is your liberation going? It is still going right?
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So far so good! Every day gets clearer. Last week I did have one incident that hit me kind of hard, and in my earlier life would have had me upset for weeks, but it only took a few hours to process and move on – a little wiser about my own weaknesses, to have gotten hit by that in the first place. :o

Other than that, clear sailing. The best part is that I’m very motivated to do things that have needed doing for many years – including some serious dejunking. I’ve already removed over 8 cubic yards of junk from my house, just in the last two weeks. And some of that has been pretty nasty for many years. For the first time in decades I got a car in the garage. The basement and sunroom look like they haven’t for years, and my wife and a good friend are all motivated right there helping me. Suddenly I have desire and energy to take control of those things I can change. 🙂

It’s nice having loving help to do things I’ve been the obstacle against getting done for years; they waited until I was ready. :cool:

Alan
 
AlanFromWichita said:
So far so good! Every day gets clearer. Last week I did have one incident that hit me kind of hard, and in my earlier life would have had me upset for weeks, but it only took a few hours to process and move on – a little wiser about my own weaknesses, to have gotten hit by that in the first place. :o

Other than that, clear sailing. The best part is that I’m very motivated to do things that have needed doing for many years – including some serious dejunking. I’ve already removed over 8 cubic yards of junk from my house, just in the last two weeks. And some of that has been pretty nasty for many years. For the first time in decades I got a car in the garage. The basement and sunroom look like they haven’t for years, and my wife and a good friend are all motivated right there helping me. Suddenly I have desire and energy to take control of those things I can change. 🙂

It’s nice having loving help to do things I’ve been the obstacle against getting done for years; they waited until I was ready. :cool:

Alan
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Haha nice. Remember, God can smell. It was the smell of food cooking that persuaded Him to make a covenant with us in the first place! haha. Well, at least OT sure did make it seem that way.
 
Faith healers promote and advertise miracles and find a way or ways to extract money from people. Most of the time they will not preach God but when they do I’ve not heard of one preaching the true gospel.

A believer is someone who has faith and walks in the power of the holy spirit. They totally believe in Jesus and they preach the true gospel. They spread the word. Miracles will just follow them around as Jesus pours out his spirit powerfully from them. In Mark 16 - 17, Jesus says “These signs will accompany those who believe; in my name they will drive out demons, they will speak new languages. They will pick up serpents and if they dring any deadly thing, it will not harm them. They will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.”

Jesus confirms this again in John 14; 12-14. and again in John 16; 23… If things like this are not common in your life then you should realise that there’s a whole lot more to learn. There’s a whole lot closer to God and to Jesus that you can achieve in this life. Jesus is a lover. He wants us to be closer and closer to him every day. Anyone can do this if they seek to know God with all their heart and mind. Do it, seek and ye shall find. Draw close to him and he will draw closer to you. There’s so much more to it all.

Jesus is lord.
Justin…
 
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