Dems give up shutdown fight

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Agree! It was Schumers Shutdown most people saw it for what it was.
 
The only general poll I saw on it tended to blame the Republicans more than the Democrats. Fox News is not representative of the entire American electorate, but simply of Republicans.
 
I was merely responding to the op I hadn’t listened to fix news or any news yet today for that matter I didn’t read the included link either.I think the fact that the Dems capitulate is in and of itself very telling
 
niceatheist said:
The only general poll I saw on it tended to blame the Republicans more than the Democrats. Fox News is not representative of the entire American electorate, but simply of Republicans.
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If Democrats thought this was helping them, they’d have played it out longer than a couple hours before folding. Political parties run their own polls, which tend to be more accurate than the polls run by the media. This makes sense because the media is trying to generate views and clicks, the parties actually need to be able to make decisions based on their information.
 
They did elicit a commitment to an immigration vote. It’s obviously weaker than they went into this hoping to get, but at the same time let’s be clear that this is a three week funding bill, so this isn’t a permanent victory or defeat for anyone. Those three weeks are likely going to lead to some sort of compromise, because both sides put themselves at risk with an extended shutdown.

This, folks, is the actual Art of the Deal, not all the windbag tweeting that comes from the Oval Office.
 
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They did elicit a commitment to an immigration vote.
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There was already a commitment on an immigration vote. The Dems got nothing new. You can accept whatever spin you want on it, but just based on the outcome, it looks like the Dems folded and folded hard. If this shutdown was polling badly for Republicans, they would have held out for putting immigration in the CR, which is what they wanted.
 
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I suspect this wasn’t polling well for them. If it was Dems would have dragged it out for a while. I think this should call into question any assumptions about a “Blue Wave” in 2018.
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Well they keep their core agenda on some form of identity politics that doesn’t affect the average person.
 
The big winners are federal employees who can now return to work and the American public who see their elected officials actually working for them.
 
Less fortunate are DACA recipients who remain in limbo as Congress kicked the can down the road until at least February 8.
 
The big story coming out of the 2018 government shutdown was this: Where is President Donald Trump?

There’s a simple reason for Trump’s lack of active involvement: He doesn’t possess any sort of deep policy knowledge on this issue and he is uninterested in educating himself on the finer points of the policy debates at work in the shutdown in order to have any sort of real influence over the way forward.
 
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JoshuaIsLord said:
The big story coming out of the 2018 government shutdown was this: Where is President Donald Trump?

There’s a simple reason for Trump’s lack of active involvement: He doesn’t possess any sort of deep policy knowledge on this issue and he is uninterested in educating himself on the finer points of the policy debates at work in the shutdown in order to have any sort of real influence over the way forward.
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I think he’s probably more educated on the topic than most. You have no idea what level of involvement he had.
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Less fortunate are DACA recipients who remain in limbo as Congress kicked the can down the road until at least February 8.
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The "dreamers " are incredibly fortunate. They are here. They will more than likely stay here, if the Democrats don’t block it by insisting on not ending chain migration, not backing the wall, etc.
And that “can” was already in March
 
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I think he’s probably more educated on the topic than most. You have no idea what level of involvement he had.
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Trump held no public events over the weekend, and while the White House insisted he was aggressively working the phones, it didn’t appear as though the President – the man who has touted himself as the greatest deal-maker in world history – was making much of a difference. (Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Monday that he had not spoken with Trump since their meeting on Friday afternoon; he also called Trump “glaringly absent” in the negotiations.)
 
What explains that lurching between deal and no deal? The obvious answer is that Trump doesn’t have a strong policy background on any issue other than trade. As a result, he is hugely persuadable – usually by the last person who he talks to. So, what looks like a deal one minute turns into no deal an hour later. And, because he lacks interest in the policy nuance, misunderstandings abound as he agrees to things without even knowing he is doing so. (Witness Trump’s seeming acquiescence to a “clean” DACA vote in that public meeting; House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy had to step in to make sure Trump didn’t agree to something without even realizing he was doing it.)
 
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I think he’s probably more educated on the topic than most. You have no idea what level of involvement he had.
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Trump held no public events over the weekend, and while the White House insisted he was aggressively working the phones, it didn’t appear as though the President – the man who has touted himself as the greatest deal-maker in world history – was making much of a difference. (Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said Monday that he had not spoken with Trump since their meeting on Friday afternoon; he also called Trump “glaringly absent” in the negotiations.)
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Just because Schumer said he wasn’t, probably means he was involved.
It sounds like Trump did exactly what he needed to do. He made an offer. Schumer predictably turned it down for grandstanding reasons. Trump basically allowed him to sit in his own sauce
 
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The reason Trump didn’t offer his ideas for a way out of the shutdown is that he didn’t have ideas for a way out of the shutdown. That, to his mind, isn’t really his job. He’s the closer. He comes in, signs the paper, shows everyone the signed paper and hands out the pen he used to sign it to some lucky person. That’s the job.
 
The problem for Trump is that senators and House members don’t have the same reaction to him that many in the business world do. They are not awed by being in his presence and, therefore, willing to do whatever his people tell them to do. They have their own constituencies and their own interests that exist entirely apart from Trump’s charisma. (This is especially true when Trump’s approval ratings sit in the high 30s/very low 40s.)
 
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He comes in, signs the paper, shows everyone the signed paper and hands out the pen he used to sign it to some lucky person. That’s the job.
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That’s what they used to say about Obama and, at least when it came to Obamacare, it was dead right because nobody else knew what was in it either other than maybe Jonathan Gruber.
 
Well shucks. The government is going back to work. I always enjoy government shutdowns because that means the government can’t do any harm.
 
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