Dems' Wins in U.S. Races Concern Israel

[rlg94086]

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I know they wanted to get rid of Hezbollah, but “wipe Lebanon…off the map?”

if people want to know what zionists really think of christians, consider the fact israel wants to wipe lebanon, the most christian populous nation in the middle east, off the map

 

[james1441]

Really? Do you have a source for that?

I know they wanted to get rid of Hezbollah, but “wipe Lebanon…off the map?”

i wouldn’t call it too much of a stretch, after all israel, as in 1982 also, did huge amounts of destruction to civilian infrastructure and people. i agree israel has a right to self defense, as any nation does, but to call its actions against lebanon this year and 25 years ago “defensive” is laughable

 

[rlg94086]

i wouldn’t call it too much of a stretch, after all israel, as in 1982 also, did huge amounts of destruction to civilian infrastructure and people. i agree israel has a right to self defense, as any nation does, but to call its actions against lebanon this year and 25 years ago “defensive” is laughable

Well, laugh all you want, but you made an assertion that they want to wipe Lebanon off the map and described it as “fact.” I think it is a stretch, and if it’s a fact, you should be able to back it up with more than assumptions.

 

[Jeffrey]

That couldn’t be because of all the islamists want to wipe Israel off the map could it?

Couldn’t be because Hezbollah ( or is it Hamas? ) is in southern lebonan and had made the same threats could it?

Your Anti Semitism is sickening to say the least.

if people want to know what zionists really think of christians, consider the fact israel wants to wipe lebanon, the most christian populous nation in the middle east, off the map

 

[system]

Palestine is a fictionous state, like Chechnya and Kosovo. It only exists in the minds of seperatists who do not wish to live within the framework of the 1993 Oslo Accords that allow for an autonomous province within Israel but not an independent state.

If we really want to give Palestinians independence, we should also give the Chechens and Kosovo Albanians independence from Orthodox Christian oppression. Else, its sheer hypocrisy and in fact, veiled Anti-Semitism!

I think I see your problem right HERE!

So what was that place called up until 1948? And who lived there?

Let me try to make you understand, ok? Explicit Anti-Semitism in the West is dead as denying the Nazi Holocaust is a crime. So, these Anti-Semites resort to indirect Anti-Semitism, Israel bashing, instead of Jew bashing.

You are accusing every person who questions the funding of Israel, or points out the horrific treatment of the Palestinians, of being anti-semitic. I think that’s a phony shield you’ve created to avoid looking at the facts.

Israel has treated the Palestinians as worse than animals for a LONG time.

 

[james1441]

That couldn’t be because of all the facists islamists want to wipe Israel off the map could it?

Couldn’t be because Hezbollah ( or is it Hamas? ) is in southern lebonan and had made the same threats could it?

Your Anti Semitism is sickening to say the least.

i said zionist, not jews, so your equating zionism with real judaism makes as much sense as merging communism with catholicism

oh wait i just remembered something… “semite” refers to people of arabic heritage, and most jews who emigrated to israel are not of semite heritage, so perhaps you should rethink the circumstances when using the phrase “anti-semite”

 

[Jeffrey]

i said zionist, not jews, so your equating zionism with real judaism makes as much sense as merging communism with catholicism

Maybe… doubt it tho.

oh wait i just remembered something… “semite” refers to people of arabic heritage, and most jews who emigrated to israel are not of semite heritage, so perhaps you should rethink the circumstances when using the phrase “anti-semite”

Riiiiight.

 

[james1441]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite



Ancient Semitic peoples

* Akkadians — appear ca. 2500 BC and amalgamate with Mesopotamian populations into the Assyrians of the late Bronze Age
* Eblaites — 23rd century BC
* Aramaeans — from the 14th century BC, evolve into the Syriacs of the early centuries AD
* Ugarites, 14th to 12th centuries BC
* Canaanite nations of the early Iron Age:
      o Amorites
      o Ammonites
      o Edomites
      o Hebrews — founded the kingdom of Israel and Judah, the remnants of which became the Jews of Late Antiquity.
      o Moabites
      o Phoenicians
* Sabaeans of Yemen and Ethiopia, from ca. the 9th century BC, evolving into Semitic Ethiopian peoples from the 5th century BC
* Arabs — appearing from the 5th century BC as Nabataeans

 

[Jeffrey]

Doesn’t change the meaning for today.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite



Ancient Semitic peoples

• Akkadians — appear ca. 2500 BC and amalgamate with Mesopotamian populations into the Assyrians of the late Bronze Age
• Eblaites — 23rd century BC
• Aramaeans — from the 14th century BC, evolve into the Syriacs of the early centuries AD
• Ugarites, 14th to 12th centuries BC
• Canaanite nations of the early Iron Age:
  o Amorites
  o Ammonites
  o Edomites
  o Hebrews — founded the kingdom of Israel and Judah, the remnants of which became the Jews of Late Antiquity.
  o Moabites
  o Phoenicians
• Sabaeans of Yemen and Ethiopia, from ca. the 9th century BC, evolving into Semitic Ethiopian peoples from the 5th century BC
• Arabs — appearing from the 5th century BC as Nabataeans

 

[james1441]

Doesn’t change the meaning for today.

then the word itself should be changed. why call something “semetic” when it is not? it should then be called “anti-jew”. but then that begs the question… what exactly is a jew? do we define it by someones lineage? race? belief system? depending who you ask a jew can mean many different things…

 

[aimee]

Doesn’t change the meaning for today.

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source
anti-Semitic=

–noun a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.

 

[MikeWM]

I think the real reason is plain - he has a problem with money going to Israel because he hates Jews but loves Arabs and their racist Palestine Authority.

It’s against the rules on this forum to pretend you know what other posters think.

Criticism of Israel is perfectly legitimate (particularly given recent actions) and no more implies anti-Semitism than criticism of the USA or the UK implies a hatred of Christianity.

Let me try to make you understand, ok? Explicit Anti-Semitism in the West is dead as denying the Nazi Holocaust is a crime.

Not in the USA or UK, for a start.

The White-supremacist British National Party led by Nick Griffin changed his strategy after his conviction of the crime of Holocaust denial. He no longer condemns Jews but Israel instead. BNP leaders regularly attack Zionists and condemns Israel as an apartheid state and calls it to be dismantled. Is that not irony since BNP itself is an apartheid party like Hamas, Hizbullah, Taliban and Al-Qaeda? As far as I see it, Nick wants to repeat another Holocaust on the Jews by the Arabs, and methinks every Christians must condemn without hesitation neo-Nazis and Arabists groups as racist.

And so you dismantle your whole case from the last few paragraphs. Yes, Nick Griffin is a deeply unpleasant person, and yes he is an anti-Semite and a Holocaust denier - but if you think he has any love for Arabs or Muslims then you haven’t been paying attention to the trial that’s just finished.

Mike

 

[murtad]

It’s against the rules on this forum to pretend you know what other posters think.

Perhaps, there is some misunderstanding? I was not “pretending” to know what other posters think. My comments are always based on my understanding of other posters comments.

Criticism of Israel is perfectly legitimate (particularly given recent actions) and no more implies anti-Semitism than criticism of the USA or the UK implies a hatred of Christianity.

Yes, I do know criticism of Israel is perfectly legitimate. However, any criticism of Israel must be balanced with equal criticism towards the Arabs, otherwise such criticism is veiled Anti-Semitism.

I’ve read in many Malaysian newspapers, particularly New Straits Times that Israel committed so-called “war crimes” to Lebanese “civilians” but none of these newspapers ever define what they mean by “civilians”. Also, why no one condemn Lebanon for war crimes committed by its army, Hezbollah? Hezbollah began the crisis by kidnapping 2 soldiers but that’s not all - it launched missiles into Israeli civilian centers to mass murder Jews, Copts and Assyrians residing in Israel.

Also, since USA and UK are not Christian countries so hating them will not imply a hatred for Christianity, but rather a hatred for the English race!

And so you dismantle your whole case from the last few paragraphs. Yes, Nick Griffin is a deeply unpleasant person, and yes he is an anti-Semite and a Holocaust denier - but if you think he has any love for Arabs or Muslims then you haven’t been paying attention to the trial that’s just finished.

Concerning that “trial”, I do not consider it a trial at all as the court that tried Nick Griffin was a Kangaroo Court!

Also, despite my hatred for Anti-Semitism (as it is racism), I do not hate Islamophobia for hatred towards Islam is rational, especially as the 22 so-called “Arab” states commit racism towards not just Jews but also Copts, Assyrians, Kurds and Berbers. Racism is the foundation of Islam, which is as an ideology that declares supremacy of the Arab race and inferiority of Copt race, Assyrian race, Kurd race, and Berber race.

And if you have doubts on the definition of “race”, let the false prophet Muhammad be your dictionary. He said “An Arab is not by birth nor by ancestry but whoever speaks Arabic is racially (or ethnically) Arab”. Muhammad sent his army to conquer the world and Arabise every human, White, Black, Brown and Yellow

Link: Islamic Slavery

 

[MikeWM]

Perhaps, there is some misunderstanding? I was not “pretending” to know what other posters think. My comments are always based on my understanding of other posters comments.

I’ve seen no evidence of ‘loving’ Arabs or ‘hating’ Jews. Criticism of Israel doesn’t necessarily imply either.

Yes, I do know criticism of Israel is perfectly legitimate. However, any criticism of Israel must be balanced with equal criticism towards the Arabs, otherwise such criticism is veiled Anti-Semitism.

I see. No doubt when I criticise the Holocaust I must remember to balance it with equal criticism towards the 1930s Jews.

Or rather, maybe there are situations where equal balance isn’t appropriate.

Also, since USA and UK are not Christian countries so hating them will not imply a hatred for Christianity, but rather a hatred for the English race!

The UK is certainly constitutionally a Christian country. Our Head of State is also Head of the Church of England. The majority (about 70%) of us identify as Christians, even if the vast majority are far from devout.

Concerning that “trial”, I do not consider it a trial at all as the court that tried Nick Griffin was a Kangaroo Court!

No idea why you think that. You may well dispute whether a prosecution should have been sought in the first place (I seriously question it) but the court itself worked as it ought.

despite my hatred for Anti-Semitism (as it is racism),

Yes it is. Anti-Semitism is downright horrible. And non-sensical to boot.

I do not hate Islamophobia for hatred towards Islam is rational,

Right

Racism is the foundation of Islam,

Rather bizarre given that we (Catholics) view Muslims with ‘esteem’ according to Nostra Aetate. I doubt we would esteem something built on racism.

And if you have doubts on the definition of “race”, let the false prophet Muhammad be your dictionary.

Err, no. I respect Islam but obviously, as a Catholic, I believe Muhammad got an awful lot of things wrong.

Mike

 

[a_priori]

yeah thats all we need, an outside country interfering with our national sovereignty

I agree. It would be distressing if Israel ever started having an effect on U.S. foreign policy…