Denial of Hell

[McCartney]

I find that more and more in the Church are denying the existence of Hell. A Catechists once told be that there was no such thing as Hell and how could he teach young children about such a scary item. He pointed me to a Bishop. I spoke to the Bishop and he said how could a loving God create such a thing as Hell.

Last night I had dinner with a priest and one other person. The priest told me that God only creates good things and so He could not have created Hell. He also told me that the Bible does not tell us to protest in front of abortion clinics.

 

[phil19034]

wow…

Hell is real.

Though, some theologians believe it might not really be a place, but simply eternal separation from God and the Body of Christ. Basically, they are locked outside the Gates of Heaven for eternity.

 

[GEddie]

How anybody could live in this world and reject Hell makes precisely zero sense.

Human death is proof positive that Almighty God does not flinch from judgements that go beyond hideous. Denial is not just a river in Africa!

This is the result of generational “softening” of the harsher parts of the Holy Bible. We should take Almighty God at His word!

ICXC NIKA

 

[MT1926]

How does that old saying go…

“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

This generation and society is becoming more self-centered and entitled by the day.

It is sad seeing so many people on the internet posting how assured they are of their salvation, because they have faith in Christ in one post. Only to follow it up by being mean and disrespectful to their neighbor in the next post.

Thinking we are entitled to heaven is the ultimate delusion anyone could ever have.

Matthew 22:37-40
37He said to him,[a]“You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.38This is the greatest and the first commandment.39The second is like it:***You shall love your neighbor as yourself.40[c]The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

Matthew 19:17
If you would enter life, keep the commandments.”***

 

[pianistclare]

How does that old saying go…

“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

 

[Dorothy]

I find that more and more in the Church are denying the existence of Hell. A Catechists once told be that there was no such thing as Hell and how could he teach young children about such a scary item. He pointed me to a Bishop. I spoke to the Bishop and he said how could a loving God create such a thing as Hell.

Last night I had dinner with a priest and one other person. The priest told me that God only creates good things and so He could not have created Hell. He also told me that the Bible does not tell us to protest in front of abortion clinics.

We need to pray for priests and bishops.

God does not put people in hell…they choose it for themselves by their choices.

 

[Polycarp1]

Frank Sheed and other theologians explain that in order for us to exist in the state of heaven, we need special equipment that we can only get here while we are alive on earth. Just like if we wanted to live under the ocean we would need first to get special equipment that we could only get on shore. The special equipment we need in heaven are the sanctifying graces of faith, hope and charity. He and others explain heaven as the beatific vision, as set out in scripture, seeing God face to face as he really is. How clearly fully we will be able to see and experience God after death will depend on how much special equipment we arrive with there at the moment of our physical deaths.
Those who don’t ultimately obtain the beatific vision will see the demonic vision. They won’t be able to see God or feel his goodness and mercy at all. The worse state they are in at the time of death will determine how clearly and closely they will have to see and contend with the pure evil of the devil.

 

[esieffe]

Our Lord talked about hell. Many Saints talked about hell. The CCC talks about hell. The Bible talks about hell. I don’t see how anyone who is Catholic could deny hell. They do so at their own peril.

 

[Widlast]

I find that more and more in the Church are denying the existence of Hell.

Hell exists, it is a place, I have met some of the natives.

A Catechists once told be that there was no such thing as Hell and how could he teach young children about such a scary item. He pointed me to a Bishop. I spoke to the Bishop and he said how could a loving God create such a thing as Hell.

He seems to have forgotten that God is also just.

Last night I had dinner with a priest and one other person. The priest told me that God only creates good things and so He could not have created Hell. He also told me that the Bible does not tell us to protest in front of abortion clinics.

Hell is Hell because of those that are in it, just as a prison without criminals is just a building.

The Bible doesn’t tell us to change our underwear either, but it’s a good idea.

 

[Polycarp1]

Our Lord talked about hell. Many Saints talked about hell. The CCC talks about hell. The Bible talks about hell. I don’t see how anyone who is Catholic could deny hell. They do so at their own peril.

Sort of like walking down the railroad tracks, repeating to yourself “I don’t believe in trains, I don’t believe in trains,I don’t believe in trains”. Not going to make a lot of difference when the train gets there!

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Our Lord talked about hell. Many Saints talked about hell. The CCC talks about hell. The Bible talks about hell. I don’t see how anyone who is Catholic could deny hell. They do so at their own peril.

I had a rather long discussion with a so-called Bible-Christian who utterly denied the existence of Hell. I simply cannot understand how someone who takes the Bible so absolutely literally could deny Hell, given everything Jesus and the Apostles said on the matter.

I think people who claim to be Christian but deny Hell are afraid because there’s something wrong in their lives that they aren’t ready to confront yet.

 

[NM505StKate]

I find that more and more in the Church are denying the existence of Hell. A Catechists once told be that there was no such thing as Hell and how could he teach young children about such a scary item. He pointed me to a Bishop. I spoke to the Bishop and he said how could a loving God create such a thing as Hell.

Last night I had dinner with a priest and one other person. The priest told me that God only creates good things and so He could not have created Hell. He also told me that the Bible does not tell us to protest in front of abortion clinics.

I like your priest and I agree with the Catechists.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

I like your priest and I agree with the Catechists.

What about all the times Jesus and the Apostles explicitly reference the eternal fires and torment people who reject God go through?

 

[NM505StKate]

What about all the times Jesus and the Apostles explicitly reference the eternal fires and torment people who reject God go through?

So why would an “All Loving” god make a place of torment? A place of “eternal fires”. What finite crime here on earth is deserving of eternal punishment?

 

[ProdglArchitect]

So why would an “All Loving” god make a place of torment? A place of “eternal fires”. What finite crime here on earth is deserving of eternal punishment?

Because the people in Hell chose to be there. They would rather spend eternity separated from God than live according to His Will. (The chief torment of Hell is the eternal loss of the Beatific Vision, all the other pains we associate with the place are secondary to this loss)

Here is a brief explanation of why is not only Just, but is necessary.
Doesn’t Hell make God an Unjust Tyrant?

 

[MT1926]

So why would an “All Loving” god make a place of torment? A place of “eternal fires”. What finite crime here on earth is deserving of eternal punishment?

I think you might have the wrong idea about what Hell truly is. Hell really isn’t a physical place, per say, it is more of a state of self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed. God doesn’t dam us to hell we freely choose to go there. He gave us free will during our lifetime to choose or reject Him. If someone spends 50 years of their life never giving God a second of their day why would they want to spend eternity with him?

Let me finish your statement. Why would an “All Loving” god make a place of torment? A place of “eternal fires”. Wouldn’t an “All Loving” God force us against our free will to worship him for all eternity? That is the conclusion to your question.

You see he loves us so much that he gives us our lifetime here on earth to figure it out and decide. The choice is ours. We need to choose in this lifetime and our yes or no is based on our faith and works (good or bad) in this lifetime.

Your final question: What finite crime here on earth is deserving of eternal punishment?

The answer is simple, not a single thing we do here on earth, no matter how terrible, is deserving of eternal punishment in Hell. Jesus died on the cross to cleanse us of any sin we commit. However, we have to go to confession and ask for his forgiveness in this lifetime.

God Bless

 

[NM505StKate]

I think you might have the wrong idea about what Hell truly is. Hell really isn’t a physical place, per say, it is more of a state of self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed. God doesn’t dam us to hell we freely choose to go there. He gave us free will during our lifetime to choose or reject Him. If someone spends 50 years of their life never giving God a second of their day why would they want to spend eternity with him?

Let me finish your statement. Why would an “All Loving” god make a place of torment? A place of “eternal fires”. Wouldn’t an “All Loving” God force us against our free will to worship him for all eternity? That is the conclusion to your question.

You see he loves us so much that he gives us our lifetime here on earth to figure it out and decide. The choice is ours. We need to choose in this lifetime and our yes or no is based on our faith and works (good or bad) in this lifetime.

Your final question: What finite crime here on earth is deserving of eternal punishment?

The answer is simple, not a single thing we do here on earth, no matter how terrible, is deserving of eternal punishment in Hell. Jesus died on the cross to cleanse us of any sin we commit. However, we have to go to confession and ask for his forgiveness in this lifetime.

God Bless

Actually no. That isn’t the conclusion to my question at all. The free will bit seems like a cop out. Think about this please; in the story of the Garden of Eden god put in a tree that had fruit of knowledge growing on it. It made one person out of mud. This person had no experiences nor could the person know “right” from “wrong”. The person was just given an order like a computer program. God then took a clone of the person, made the clone transgendered and placed the clone with the first person. Still neither of the “people” knew right from wrong because that was part of the tree so how could they have free will? You have two machines doing tasks because they were programmed to do them.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Actually no. That isn’t the conclusion to my question at all. The free will bit seems like a cop out. Think about this please; in the story of the Garden of Eden god put in a tree that had fruit of knowledge growing on it. It made one person out of mud. This person had no experiences nor could the person know “right” from “wrong”. The person was just given an order like a computer program. God then took a clone of the person, made the clone transgendered and placed the clone with the first person. Still neither of the “people” knew right from wrong because that was part of the tree so how could they have free will? You have two machines doing tasks because they were programmed to do them.

You should pick up some Catholic commentaries on Genesis and give them a read. They would be invaluable to you, and would help disillusion you of some of these faulty notions.

I encourage you to read this article:

catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hell-yes-part-i
catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hell-yes-part-ii

 

[NM505StKate]

You should pick up some Catholic commentaries on Genesis and give them a read. They would be invaluable to you, and would help disillusion you of some of these faulty notions.

I encourage you to read this article:

catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hell-yes-part-i
catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/hell-yes-part-ii

Thank you. Just giving a quick scan here is a question. Why would a person want to spend eternity with a being that, in a story, killed off the world population except for eight people? It still brings up free will which has all kinds of problems. If god is omniscient surely god would have seen the “fall” and stopped its pet project from going down the tubes. Personally I see the story of the Garden of Eden as the ancient Hebrews explaining how they came about. It is a creation story for them and why they had to work hard to get food.

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Thank you. Just giving a quick scan

here is a question. Why would a person want to spend eternity with a being that, in a story, killed off the world population except for eight people? It still brings up free will which has all kinds of problems. If god is omniscient surely god would have seen the “fall” and stopped its pet project from going down the tubes. Personally I see the story of the Garden of Eden as the ancient Hebrews explaining how they came about. It is a creation story for them and why they had to work hard to get food.