[Denver] Catholic school boots student with gay parents [AP]

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gmarie21 said:
Don’t forget the “go and sin no more part” (I hate when people seem to leave this part out when talking about sin and “judging” sinners).
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With all the speak-from-the-gut-feeling secular rationalizations and moral-cowardice being exemplified by some of the laity, one would think THEIR gospel reads: “Go and sin some more.”

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Stylites said:
With all the speak-from-the-gut-feeling secular rationalizations and moral-cowardice being exemplified by some of the laity, one would think THEIR gospel reads: “Go and sin some more.”
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What sin has the child committed?

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Did the school explain to the parents that by enrolling their child into the Catholic school, the child will be taught what the Catholic Church believes…which in their case, that they are living in sin? I just think that if the parents were OK with this fact then the school wouldn’t be compromising anything they believed in…right?

Maybe it is my bleeding heart, but that child already has it tough because of the lifestyle of the adopted parents. When is the child supposed to be introduced to God and the loving grace of Jesus Christ? I’m assuming the parents don’t go to Mass let alone a church of any kind so until the child becomes an adult he/she may not have anyone in his/her life to be a Christian witness.

To say that a child can’t rise above their parents is a little shortsighted right? I mean look at Blessed Pier Giorgio Frassiti or Saint Francis of Assisi. Both men had parents who just didn’t understand or have the faith that they did, and they still overcame. I just pray that Jesus will send someone into the child’s life that is willing to show Christ’s mercy and love.
 
Has anyone seen the Bells of St. Mary’s? This is another example of the little girl that the priest accepts into the school. The father ran out on the family so the mother paid the bills the only way she knew how. They don’t really go into specifics, but you knew it wasn’t good because they insinuated men were there constantly. The mother basically leaves the daughter and doesn’t come back for a long time. In the end, the parents are reunited, but what would have happend to that little girl if Father O’Malley had decided that because her parents were derelicts, she couldn’t be admitted into the school?
 
Um, these mothers kept their situation private for a half a year. They didn’t immediately dismiss the little girl when they found out, instead, they quietly decided to not reenroll her. Why keep it a secret from the school? Why take a private loving decision by the school and make it public? Why aren’t more asking these questions?
 
gmarie21 said:
And would you send your child to a school that taught against Buddhist teachings?
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That depends. Most of what a Catholic School teaches is perfectly compatible with Buddhism. In the UK a parent can withdraw their child from Religion lessons while they attend the non-religious lessons. I am less sure of the situation in the US.

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gmarie21 said:
Um, these mothers kept their situation private for a half a year. They didn’t immediately dismiss the little girl when they found out, instead, they quietly decided to not reenroll her. Why keep it a secret from the school? Why take a private loving decision by the school and make it public? Why aren’t more asking these questions?
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I guess, I just don’t really care what the parents’ intent was in this situation. I’m thinking more of the child. Without knowing all of the facts and just looking at the surface, I would say that the parents were trying to instigate a reaction from the anti-Catholic, pro-homosexuality media and society. However, I think it is a shame what was done to the child in this instance. I suppose we can only pray that God will use some other means to be a witness of His love in this child’s life.

If the child became disruptive because she would argue with the teachers about homosexuality and cause trouble in that way, then I would absolutely agree with the dismissal. But, I don’t know if that is the case here.
 
rossum said:
What sin has the child committed?

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No one is talking about the culpability of the child (who is innocent of all but original sin) except those who choose to slam a private Catholic school’s lawful and moral policy. If the “Red Herring School for Elementary Dharma Indoctrination” chooses to not renew a buddhist student’s enrollment based on what he or she allegedly did in a past lifetime (such as failing to speak truth to power), then it’s really nobody’s business outside of those who support the school.

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JAGCath28 said:
If the child became disruptive because she would argue with the teachers about homosexuality and cause trouble in that way, then I would absolutely agree with the dismissal. But, I don’t know if that is the case here.
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The issue of disruption or argumentation was not mentioned in the good archbishops’ valid reasons. It is simply one whereby the guardians are unable to uphold their responsibilities entailed in a Catholic education. Being educated as a Catholic with Catholic morals and ethics is a privilege, not an inalienable right by the way.

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Stylites said:
The issue of disruption or argumentation was not mentioned in the good archbishops’ valid reasons. It is simply one whereby the guardians are unable to uphold their responsibilities entailed in a Catholic education. Being educated as a Catholic with Catholic morals and ethics is a privilege, not an inalienable right by the way.

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I agree it isn’t a right. But, if they chose to send their daughter to the Catholic school, and she was accepted into the school and the only reason for not allowing her to be re-enrolled was because her parents were lesbians…I don’t think it is right.

If what gmarie21 said is true, and the parents kept their lesbian relationship a secret for half the year, then I would say once the school found out about it, then if they felt uncomfortable with the girl there because of the teachings of the church, THEN they should have (maybe they did I don’t know) sat the parents down and explained their stance. The stance being: This is what we believe, and this is what we will teach your daughter regardless of you home life. And basically, the parents can decide whether they are comfortable keeping their daughter enrolled in a school that disagrees with their position on sexuality.

However… if the parents (other than having the lesbian relationship), were adamently anti-that school, if they were constantly causing problems with the administration, if they were influencing their daughter to be disruptive or cause problems, if they fought the school on the moral teachings…etc etc…then I would have absolutely no problem with the decision. My problem is that the only thing preventing that little girl from attending is the fact that her parents are sinners. Which…we all are…homosexual lifestyle is a sin just like promiscuity outside of marriage.

I am pro-family and pro-marriage (the real definition…one man; one woman) so I don’t feel sorry for the couple because of the Church’s stance on homosexuality. I just don’t think this girl should have been the brunt of this. It isn’t the school’s fault that her parents sent her there, however, it isn’t the girl’s fault her parents are lesbians.

I guess I can’t see the forrest for the trees in this situation. My heart goes out to that little girl.
 
kelvinf said:
Okay let me spell it out. I am referring to those abusive priests who persistently abuse minors and get away with it. We all know the cases in Canada, the US and recently Ireland and Germany.

Why don’t they get singled and rooted out, and reported to the police?
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Well since the Dallas Charter it is indeed a one strike policy. Anyone involved with sexual activity with a minor (male or female) is immediately reported to the local authorities. And if the case is deemed credible is then suspended and the case refered to Rome for removal from the clerical state.
 
irishpatrick said:
I would certainly hope that any lawsuit would tossed immediately. A private school has every right to decide these matters.
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Yes and no. Once you accept a child into the school there’s a sort of legal contract that binds both the school and the family. You need to show that you were abiding by the contract when you dismissed them from the school.
 
NewEnglandPries said:
Yes and no. Once you accept a child into the school there’s a sort of legal contract that binds both the school and the family. You need to show that you were abiding by the contract when you dismissed them from the school.
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Catholic schools invite their students every year (if they are welcomed back) or they don’t. I knew this as a student growing up in the local Catholic schools, and I obviously knew this as an employee of a Catholic school (who worked with the administration regarding who would and would not be asked to return).
 
We all must remember that the Catholic Church leaders in this diocese will NOT discuss in the public arena every private conversation with this couple, so most of what is inferred is based on the couple’s public statements and point-of-view. There are two sides and one will be made to look like a villain. The strong leaders of the Church are never the first to go public with matters they discuss with individuals privately (thank goodness) as we have seen with politicians too.
 
gmarie21 said:
And baptism is denied infants and children whose parents admit they will not raise the child in the faith, no matter the parental situation (parents could be validly married, but fallen away and not care about raising the child in the faith). Obviously, when that child is older s/he can start the conversion process if desired (and some have).
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couples presents a pastoral concern. Nevertheless, the Church does not refuse the Sacrament of Baptism to these children, but there must be a well founded hope that the children will be brought up in the Catholic religion.
 
gmarie21 said:
Catholic schools invite their students every year (if they are welcomed back) or they don’t. I knew this as a student growing up in the local Catholic schools, and I obviously knew this as an employee of a Catholic school (who worked with the administration regarding who would and would not be asked to return).
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Yes school contracts are legally allowed to be year to year. Thats basically how the schools get around contract issues. However, if you dismiss a student mid-year then breach of contract issues do come up.
 
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