Deportation could split up lesbian Vt. couple

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From AP:
Frances Herbert and her wife, Takako Ueda, were looking forward to the New Year’s Eve family concert at the Baptist Church, the town fireworks on the pond and then a night at home to celebrate the arrival of 2012.
But federal immigration authorities have told Ueda she needs to leave the United States for her native Japan by Dec. 31, a move that would split up a couple who have been together more than a decade and were married under Vermont law in April.
Their relatively rare case illuminates the difficulties that binational gay couples face at a time when the Obama administration has pledged not to uphold federal marriage law in courts but the rest of the executive branch — including immigration authorities — still follows the letter of the law.
Federal immigration authorities demand extensive documentation showing that a binational couple claiming to be married really are: witness statements, property records, utility and other household bills showing both names and the like often are required. Herbert said she and Ueda submitted 600 pages of such evidence with their application.
“It’s despicable,” Herbert said. “We had 600 pages of proof, and 599 of them were completely ignored. One line on one page” — the one that said they were both women — “is what they paid attention to.”
Splitting up the family…that’s horrible.
 
That is really detestable, to break up a family like that.
 
I may not agree with gay marriage on moral grounds, but there is a very real relationship. This article shows an example of what is NOT the way to deal with the situation, for various reasons. If what Herbert said is true, than they more than fulfilled the requirement requested.
 
Two people together do not constitute a “family” automatically just because sexuality is involved. If these two ladies were together for years, they had ample time to regularize their situation vis-a-vis immigration to avoid this outcome.

I have no strong feelings about gayness per se. But the fact that emotional grieving results from a legal situation does not, a priori, mean a wrong has been done.
 
Two people together do not constitute a “family” automatically just because sexuality is involved. If these two ladies were together for years, they had ample time to regularize their situation vis-a-vis immigration to avoid this outcome.

I have no strong feelings about gayness per se. But the fact that emotional grieving results from a legal situation does not, a priori, mean a wrong has been done.
I personally love the lack of objectivity in the article. The opening hook tells us about what wholesome things the couple was planning on doing, if not for the big bad government.

Too bad it’s a red herring. As Geddie points out, the law has always been there. Sexuality aside, you don’t go into a country assuming their laws are going to change to suit your plans.
 
I personally love the lack of objectivity in the article. The opening hook tells us about what wholesome things the couple was planning on doing, if not for the big bad government.

Too bad it’s a red herring. As Geddie points out, the law has always been there. Sexuality aside, you don’t go into a country assuming their laws are going to change to suit your plans.
Agreed. My brother married a woman from Taiwan while they were both in college and she was in the country on a student visa. It was still a huge pain (legally and financially) for her to become an American citizen.

If Takako Ueda was concerned about her family you would think she would have taken the time to become an American citizen in the 10 years she’d been here.
 
Agreed. My brother married a woman from Taiwan while they were both in college and she was in the country on a student visa. It was still a huge pain (legally and financially) for her to become an American citizen.

If Takako Ueda was concerned about her family you would think she would have taken the time to become an American citizen in the 10 years she’d been here.
True, except it’s not easy to become a “citizen”. I think you mean permanent resident though, as no one just becomes a citizen from being a nonimmigrant, you have to get your green card first and maintain five years (or three for one married to a US citizen) then apply for citizenship. The law doesn’t provide for eligibility for family adjustments based on a gay marriage, so she’d need employment sponsorship to get a green card. And if she’s not working on a nonimmigrant work visa in a professional, degreed job for which minimally qualified, available US workers can’t be found, and doesn’t have an employer willing to shell out around $6 K or so to process the case on her behalf, then she’s out of luck on the employment sponsorship front. Just pointing out the realities of our current immigration laws and that it’s not easy for most to just “take care” of things.
 
Federal Law does not recognize Same-sex marriage. That’s the bottom line. This couple knew this when Vermont “married” them. No real sympathy here…let Frances move to Japan.
 
So if they want to be together so bad, why don’t they BOTH go to Japan, then?

The law is the law and they knew what it was all along.

Stories like this are only meant to gather up sympathy to get people to change their views on gay marriage laws. Its not going to happen with me. While my heart goes out to them both, I will NEVER support legal gay marriage.

I will, however, support a complete revision of our immigration laws. It should not be so difficult for people to immigrate here. As long as somebody wants to come and is prepared to work to support themselves and obey our laws, LET THEM IN. Sheesh.
 
So if they want to be together so bad, why don’t they BOTH go to Japan, then?

The law is the law and they knew what it was all along.
If you think immigrating LEGALLY to the US is a pain, try becoming a legal resident in Japan.
I will, however, support a complete revision of our immigration laws. It should not be so difficult for people to immigrate here. As long as somebody wants to come and is prepared to work to support themselves and obey our laws, LET THEM IN. Sheesh.
Agreed.
 
True, except it’s not easy to become a “citizen”. .
I believe that is what I said in my post.
I think you mean permanent resident though, as **no one just becomes a citizen **from being a nonimmigrant, you have to get your green card first and maintain five years (or three for one married to a US citizen) then apply for citizenship.
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Huh?
The law doesn’t provide for eligibility for family adjustments based on a gay marriage, so she’d need employment sponsorship to get a green card. And if she’s not working on a nonimmigrant work visa in a professional, degreed job for which minimally qualified, available US workers can’t be found, and doesn’t have an employer willing to shell out around $6 K or so to process the case on her behalf, then she’s out of luck on the employment sponsorship front. Just pointing out the realities of our current immigration laws and that it’s not easy for most to just “take care” of things.
No one said it was. But with 10 years to work on it maybe she should have.

immigrationdirect.com/us-citizenship/U-S-Citizenship-application-Form-N-400.jsp?gclid=CNP_84Gclq0CFcJgTAodcT86LQ
 
Two people together do not constitute a “family” automatically just because sexuality is involved. If these two ladies were together for years, they had ample time to regularize their situation vis-a-vis immigration to avoid this outcome.

I have no strong feelings about gayness per se. But the fact that emotional grieving results from a legal situation does not, a priori, mean a wrong has been done.
This purty much sums it up.

Years is plenty of time to get the ball rolling to avoid this situation. And, I am cynical enough to believe this may even be part of an agenda to bring gay marriage to the forefront once again by tugging heart strings.
 
This purty much sums it up.

Years is plenty of time to get the ball rolling to avoid this situation. And, I am cynical enough to believe this may even be part of an agenda to bring gay marriage to the forefront once again by tugging heart strings.
Yes, it’s a “twofer” actually.
 
If you think immigrating LEGALLY to the US is a pain, try becoming a legal resident in Japan. Agreed.
US immigration is a pain, but it’s not as though they were ignorant of the pitfalls, or had only a summer to prepare for them!

If neither country will take both of them, and they want to be a “family” so bad, here’s a chance for both of them to sacrifice: they should find a third country to relocate to where they can be together.

This world is too full of genuine human tragedies for a weepy “alternative lifestyle” story to push my buttons.

ICXC NIKA
 
From AP:
Frances Herbert and her wife, Takako Ueda, were looking forward to the New Year’s Eve family concert at the Baptist Church, the town fireworks on the pond and then a night at home to celebrate the arrival of 2012.
But federal immigration authorities have told Ueda she needs to leave the United States for her native Japan by Dec. 31, a move that would split up a couple who have been together more than a decade and were married under Vermont law in April.
Their relatively rare case illuminates the difficulties that binational gay couples face at a time when the Obama administration has pledged not to uphold federal marriage law in courts but the rest of the executive branch — including immigration authorities — still follows the letter of the law.
Federal immigration authorities demand extensive documentation showing that a binational couple claiming to be married really are: witness statements, property records, utility and other household bills showing both names and the like often are required. Herbert said she and Ueda submitted 600 pages of such evidence with their application.
“It’s despicable,” Herbert said. “We had 600 pages of proof, and 599 of them were completely ignored. One line on one page” — the one that said they were both women — “is what they paid attention to.”
Splitting up the family…that’s horrible.
Emphasis mine. What is this CAF obsession with gays and lesbians? There seem to be a lot of people fixated on homosexuality around here, which makes wonder…
 
Emphasis mine. What is this CAF obsession with gays and lesbians? There seem to be a lot of people fixated on homosexuality around here, which makes wonder…
It’s just a reaction to the onrush of sympathy for it in the general society, IMNAAHO.
 
In the ten years she was here she could have received a Ph.D in engineering and had a fairly easy time of getting a visa.
 
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