Deputies dump paralyzed man from wheelchair

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I know the Officers put up with a lot of garbage day in and day out, but this seems way out of line. Is the Tampa Tribune following up the story today?
 
mackone said:
AND they do know that what they are doing is not only wrong, it is illegal. Period,
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I do not know what** law** she broke. Battery on a disabled person? I guess the state AG will decide.

The traffic violation was back in October. The man did not or show and a warrant was issued. During the service of the warrant, he fled and tried to get away. Therefore he picked up a new charge. So the deputy arrives in the jail after listening to all the rants and raves and being inconvenienced by the subject trying to flee. She commits the cardinal sin of all police and lets her emotions gain control.

Suspended without pay would be the least punishment. That would hit her in the pocket book for $1000-2000. If she has a history of problems, or if this is usual behavior for her, termination is in order.

The supervisors, I did not see present and would not have stopped the situation. If they were present and failed to report it, they deserve to be disciplined, but not fired. Again, this assumes that they have no prior issue. I believe their suspension was probably just a political sacrificial lamb. For one reason, there were three mentioned. In most chain of commands there is only on supervisor to each person. This smacks of a political blanket spanking on everybody. I think if they would isolate the one person who was responsible for reporting the incident and if that person knew of what happened, it would be sufficient to disciple that one.

One another note. Did anyone notice where the man was lying. He stated he was quadrapeligic, yet he had upper body funciton. He used his arms to break his fall. He used his arms in an interview. He was able to use his arms to drive. I thought a quadrapeligic was paralyzed from the neck down?

Perhaps if he claimed to be a quadrapeligic, yet resisted the officer with his arms, it might have caused her to believe him a liar? Not that it justifies the dump, but it might should mitigate the punishment.
 
ALLGIRLS said:
Ok, but then how did the guy get to the police station? He obviously had to be moved from his car to the police car, then taken from the police car to the station, in the wheelchair. Do they really think criminals are smart enough to always carry a wheelchair w/ them in the event that they’re arrest so they can “get one over on the man” somehow? For what purpose? I think the woman was just ignorant, and feels superior b/c she’s “law enforcement” and he’s a “scum criminal” (what was the warrent for, btw? A criminal or traffic charge?), and by golly, she said stand up, he’d better stand up, paralyzed or not, YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!! Before I became a SAHM, I was a probation & parole officer for 10 years, and, unfortunately, there’s WAY too many police officers like this (not all them, most officers are wonderful, but a few either start out as jerks, or “the power” quickly goes to their heads).

In Christ,

Ellen
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I’m sorry, but I have to confess to a picture of Eric Cartman flashing through my head when I read that.
 
LCMS_No_More said:
I’m sorry, but I have to confess to a picture of Eric Cartman flashing through my head when I read that.
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🤣 That’s exactly where that came from! Dh and I yell that to illustrate whenever someone is being riduculously arrogant about their perceived “power”. Sometimes, he’ll be teasing about my lack of “submissiveness” and say that to me.

TIMMEE!!!

In Christ,

Ellen
 
TIME said:
Is the Tampa Tribune following up the story today?
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This article was posted online an hour ago:
www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/15/criminal-probe-disabled-inmate-case-keys-deputy/
Hillsborough County Sheriff David Gee said a criminal investigation into the dumping of a disabled man at Orient Road Jail in January is focusing on the guard who tipped the inmate over and no one else in the room.
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Gee said the others in the room at the time, who did nothing, likely would not be charged criminally. Marshall-Jones was suspended without pay pending the outcome of the investigation. Three of her supervisors were suspended with pay.
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Dale_M said:
This article was posted online an hour ago:
www2.tbo.com/content/2008/feb/15/criminal-probe-disabled-inmate-case-keys-deputy/
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What was frightening was the comments below. One would think ever criminal that ever had an ax to grind against the police jumped on to comment. That is the problem with anonymous posting. It has taken the place of lynching. I particularly like the part about law enforcement are above the law and she should be in prison. People always want police to pay harder and faster and without a trial that other people get. If it can be shown that she violated the law, she will get what punishment a jury gives, not a lynch mob.
 
pnewton said:
I do not know what** law** she broke. Battery on a disabled person? I guess the state AG will decide.

The traffic violation was back in October. The man did not or show and a warrant was issued. During the service of the warrant, he fled and tried to get away. Therefore he picked up a new charge. So the deputy arrives in the jail after listening to all the rants and raves and being inconvenienced by the subject trying to flee. She commits the cardinal sin of all police and lets her emotions gain control.

Suspended without pay would be the least punishment. That would hit her in the pocket book for $1000-2000. If she has a history of problems, or if this is usual behavior for her, termination is in order.

The supervisors, I did not see present and would not have stopped the situation. If they were present and failed to report it, they deserve to be disciplined, but not fired. Again, this assumes that they have no prior issue. I believe their suspension was probably just a political sacrificial lamb. For one reason, there were three mentioned. In most chain of commands there is only on supervisor to each person. This smacks of a political blanket spanking on everybody. I think if they would isolate the one person who was responsible for reporting the incident and if that person knew of what happened, it would be sufficient to disciple that one.

One another note. Did anyone notice where the man was lying. He stated he was quadrapeligic, yet he had upper body funciton. He used his arms to break his fall. He used his arms in an interview. He was able to use his arms to drive. I thought a quadrapeligic was paralyzed from the neck down?

Perhaps if he claimed to be a quadrapeligic, yet resisted the officer with his arms, it might have caused her to believe him a liar? Not that it justifies the dump, but it might should mitigate the punishment.
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In the article, I thought I remember reading that he had use of one arm and partial use of the other. I thought that qualified for a quadrapeligic. Don’t know if I myself would be making a splitting hairs on the spot decision like that. 🤷
 
Teelynn said:
In the article, I thought I remember reading that he had use of one arm and partial use of the other. I thought that qualified for a quadrapeligic. Don’t know if I myself would be making a splitting hairs on the spot decision like that. 🤷
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Everything I found defined it as paralysis of four limbs. I’m not splitting hairs. I just think that most people think of the Christopher Reeves type when they hear the term.
 
pnewton said:
One another note. Did anyone notice where the man was lying. He stated he was quadrapeligic, yet he had upper body funciton. He used his arms to break his fall. He used his arms in an interview. He was able to use his arms to drive. I thought a quadrapeligic was paralyzed from the neck down?

Perhaps if he claimed to be a quadrapeligic, yet resisted the officer with his arms, it might have caused her to believe him a liar? Not that it justifies the dump, but it might should mitigate the punishment.
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Wrong.

Quadriplegia, also known as tetraplegia, is a symptom in which a human experiences paralysis affecting all four limbs, although not necessarily total paralysis or loss of function.

If all limbs are partially effected, but can still move a little, it is still quadriplegia. They are NOT all like Christopher Reeves was, that is misinformation.

disabled-world.com/artman/publish/article_0082.shtml
 
pathia said:
Quadriplegia, also known as tetraplegia, is a symptom in which a human experiences paralysis affecting all four limbs, although not necessarily total paralysis or loss of function.
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I am sure that a physician is the one that gave the man the diagnosis, even though he only claims a limited loss of use in on hand. The question at hand, though, is not the technical definition but what is perceived, specifically by the officer in question. I noticed that she finally made a public statement and, not surprisingly, she stated that she believed the man to be faking.

Now her defense will be why she believed the man was faking.
 
I find it interesting that no one from law enforcement has responded either to the media or to this thread. In my experience working side by side with cops as an EMT, quadripalegics or tetrapalegics or quadriparesics as a populations of human beings have just as many *****h013$ as the neurologically typical, especially if it is that portion of that population that drinks alcohol but refuses to take the antidepressants ordered by their real doctors instead of Dr. Feel Goode. That particular population has in my experience used their disability to get away behaviors the cops and EMT’s should not have to swallow, but do because of their charges unfortunate handicap. Before we judge that deputy, we might want to get the audio from that tape.
 
Antegin said:
I find it interesting that no one from law enforcement has responded either to the media or to this thread. .
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I’m here. But you still can’t dump even the
“ampersand-dollar sign-nuber sign-percetage sign”'s on the floor when they are not resisting you.

On the other hand I do not think there will be any jury that sees this action as an felony assault. I have seen assaults and this isn’t one.
 
pnewton said:
I’m here. But you still can’t dump even the
“ampersand-dollar sign-nuber sign-percetage sign”'s on the floor when they are not resisting you.

On the other hand I do not think there will be any jury that sees this action as an felony assault. I have seen assaults and this isn’t one.
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If there are no physical injuries then it is not assault. It would be harassment in a case like this, where someone is pushed but sustains no injuries.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
If there are no physical injuries then it is not assault. It would be harassment in a case like this, where someone is pushed but sustains no injuries.

In Christ,
Rand
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He was bruised to the point they took x-rays of his ribs. When you have absolutely no ability to stop or cushion your fall it takes very little to crack a bone, especially with lack of use.
 
pathia said:
He was bruised to the point they took x-rays of his ribs. When you have absolutely no ability to stop or cushion your fall it takes very little to crack a bone, especially with lack of use.
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You use your ribs everytime you breath, so I really don’t know what you are talking about.
 
Antegin said:
I find it interesting that no one from law enforcement has responded either to the media or to this thread. In my experience working side by side with cops as an EMT, quadripalegics or tetrapalegics or quadriparesics as a populations of human beings have just as many *****h013$ as the neurologically typical, especially if it is that portion of that population that drinks alcohol but refuses to take the antidepressants ordered by their real doctors instead of Dr. Feel Goode. That particular population has in my experience used their disability to get away behaviors the cops and EMT’s should not have to swallow, but do because of their charges unfortunate handicap. Before we judge that deputy, we might want to get the audio from that tape.
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So, you are arguing that if a quadriplegic is a jerk, it is completely acceptable to dump him on the ground?? Or, are you saying he should have stood up, as ordered?
 
Rand_Al_Thor said:
If there are no physical injuries then it is not assault. It would be harassment in a case like this, where someone is pushed but sustains no injuries.

In Christ,
Rand
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I’m not a lawyer, but I think you are incorrect. What you are describing is battery, not assault. I don’t believe assault does not require physical injuries.

As far as whether this was a felony, it is up to the jury to decide. If the officer presents a decent case for her reason for believing he was faking, then it probably won’t be considered a felony. Just my opinion, of course.
 
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