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buffalo said:
If science could close all the gaps would that be AKA God?

But, really - have you any clue how everyday our knowledge gap is increasing? The more we search the more we find we do not know.
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God plays no part in scientific inquiry, buffalo, that is a philosophical problem.

Yes, the universe is more complex than we knew, but, there’s a limit to how complex it can be. Maybe we will eventually close those gaps or maybe not. But gaps in our knowledge do not prove god made the universe.
 
The_Scotist said:
God plays no part in scientific inquiry, buffalo, that is a philosophical problem.

Yes, the universe is more complex than we knew, but, still there’s a limit to how complex it can be. Maybe we will eventually close those gaps or maybe not. But gaps in our knowledge do not prove god made the universe.
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Right.

Now - I have to interject a point here. God is the author of science. The fact the universe is intelligible allows science to advance.
 
The_Scotist said:
God plays no part in scientific inquiry, buffalo, that is a philosophical problem.

Yes, the universe is more complex than we knew, but, there’s a limit to how complex it can be. Maybe we will eventually close those gaps or maybe not. But gaps in our knowledge do not prove god made the universe.
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By all means, the realm of science is that of the material and physical world. But that does not automatically eliminate the immaterial or spiritual realm from inquiry as if it were non-existent.

Ah, one says. The immaterial cannot be put under a natural science microscope. True. But that does not exclude the reality of spiritual existence which can be known by the tools of reason, self reflection, logical evaluation, and analytical thought.

Blessings,
granny

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buffalo said:
God is the author of science.
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You know this how?
Buffalo, this exchange is nothing but circular.

From all of your comments, this is what I’m hearing from you;

My God did it. My God is the true God.

Begs the question, why are we even discussing this with you?

There is nothing I could ever say that would get you to move from this position;

God did it, end of story.
 
Zatzat said:
You know this how?
Buffalo, this exchange is nothing but circular.

From all of your comments, this is what I’m hearing from you;

My God did it. My God is the true God.

Begs the question, why are we even discussing this with you?

There is nothing I could ever say that would get you to move from this position;

God did it, end of story.
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God did do it.

You perceive circularity. However, if you go back through the posts there is not a dependency.

It is just that we have touched upon many point that it appears so.
 
The_Scotist said:
God plays no part in scientific inquiry, buffalo, that is a philosophical problem.

Yes, the universe is more complex than we knew, but, there’s a limit to how complex it can be. Maybe we will eventually close those gaps or maybe not. But gaps in our knowledge do not prove god made the universe.
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Can you explain then, all the posts here that attempt to apply scientific inquiry to God and the Bible?

God bless,
Ed
 
Zatzat said:
How do you know God did it and how do you know it was your God?

See how this is going in a circle?
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I see we may have to start all over again.

History records that God did it. It also records that it was the God of Abraham.

I am not sure where you want to debate. I believe my first question was something like, are we staying in the empirical world?

We have two different tracks. One science, one history. They both are pointing in the same direction. So we have corraborating evidence from two different disciplines.
 
buffalo said:
History records that God did it. It also records that it was the God of Abraham.
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History also records that man once believed that the earth was flat. History now records that man learned the error of his ways.

Like I said, to you, it’s as simple as;

God did it, not just any God, but my God, end of story.

So, I’m out.
 
Zatzat said:
You know this how?
Buffalo, this exchange is nothing but circular.

From all of your comments, this is what I’m hearing from you;

My God did it. My God is the true God.

Begs the question, why are we even discussing this with you?

There is nothing I could ever say that would get you to move from this position;

God did it, end of story.
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Silly question, if I may.
If every point in the circular argument is true, doesn’t that mean that the complete circle is true? If the point which begs the question is the same truth as the question, doesn’t that mean that the essence is true?
 
Zatzat said:
History also records that man once believed that the earth was flat. History now records that man learned the error of his ways.

Like I said, to you, it’s as simple as;

God did it, not just any God, but my God, end of story.

So, I’m out.
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Yeah, it just so happens that even though I had a good start as a cradle Catholic, I had to find my way amid the same doubts you have, that my journey came full circle.

If we have to we can leave it for now at “The Supreme Being”. Is that OK?
 
I am still trying to figure out where in history it was recorded that God did it? And before you say the bible…donlt unless of course we are supposed to take every event in the bible as literal fact. Which I seriously doubt cause the evidence is against it big time. But what it comes down to is repeating the same thing over and over again in this case my god did it doesn;t make for evidence.
 
Calliso said:
I am still trying to figure out where in history it was recorded that God did it? And before you say the bible…donlt unless of course we are supposed to take every event in the bible as literal fact. Which I seriously doubt cause the evidence is against it big time. But what it comes down to is repeating the same thing over and over again in this case my god did it doesn;t make for evidence.
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Did what?
 
Calliso said:
I am talking about creating everything. Though really you could apply that to anything. Saying that God did insert something here isnt evidence he did it.
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So your claim would be “everything came from nothing”?
 
buffalo said:
So your claim would be “everything came from nothing”?
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No I donlt think that but I don;t think my opinion of how things happened is evidence they actually happened that way either. I do think though that is is quite possible no God exists though.
 
Calliso said:
No I donlt think that but I don;t think my opinion of how things happened is evidence they actually happened that way either. I do think though that is is quite possible no God exists though.
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We weren’t born in a vacuum. We have evidence, we have history, we have experiences, we have Revelation. They all point the same way.
 
Journey Inside the Cell

This is the cell animation video referenced on page 120 of Signature in the Cell. The animation is stunning to say the least. It was all done by the same animators who worked on Expelled. It is titled “Journey Inside The Cell” and is about three and a half minutes long. It dramatically illustrates the evidence for intelligent design within DNA, as described in the book and reveals in intricate detail how the digital information in DNA directs protein synthesis inside the cell, revealing a world of molecular machines and nano-processors communicating digital information. Steve Meyer narrates the piece.
 
Calliso said:
I am still trying to figure out where in history it was recorded that God did it? And before you say the bible…donlt unless of course we are supposed to take every event in the bible as literal fact. Which I seriously doubt cause the evidence is against it big time. But what it comes down to is repeating the same thing over and over again in this case my god did it doesn;t make for evidence.
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For the record. What is known as the Bible is actually a serious of books written in a variety of forms over many years. After looking at the index and glancing at the introductions to the various books, no reasonable person would ever assume that everything thing is written in a literal fashion. Just as figurative language can be used in epics to describe the meaning of an event, so too can figurative language in some of the passages be used to lead the reader to the deeper significance of a truth.

In my humble opinion, using the old chestnut – that in order for one truth to be true everything in the Bible must be written in only the literal fashion – signifies lack of knowledge of what the Bible really contains.

Blessings,
granny

Bible means – basic instructions before leaving earth. 😃
 
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