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It doesn’t follow that the existence of the universe is due to an infinite regression! Otherwise the principle of causality would be worthless and the Theory of Everything would be unscientific. If you gave that explanation to astronomers and cosmologists they would laugh at you…
There is no need for an infinite regression. Have an eternal multiverse which causes local universes, one of which we live in. No infinite regression. The multiverse performs the same logical function as God, but without the theological properties.

The integers just show that infinite regressions are possible and cannot be dismissed out of hand.

rossum
 
Drop the “true Christians” please. For the majority of its history, Christianity has allowed slavery. It is only in the last 300 years or so that things have changed. If anything the pro-slavery faction has the greater weight of Christian history on its side.

Since everyone gets to define their own version of “true Christian” the phrase becomes meaningless. There are plenty of Protestants who will tell you that Catholics are not “true Christians” for example.

rossum
It was in Christian countries that slavery was eventually abolished. In North America a war was fought between ostensible Christians to abolish it. Read some history and find out why today only in dominantly non-Christians countries do you find sex slave traffic going on.

Buddhism is the dominant religion of Thailand.

endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/history-of-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-in-thailand
 
Buddhism is the dominant religion of Thailand.
Show me where in the Bible Jesus explicitly forbids the slave trade. The Buddha explicitly forbade the slave trade. Yes, some Buddhists are not good. Is every Christian a saint?

The Buddha was better than Jesus in this matter.

[The Buddha said:] “A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison.” (emphasis added)

— Anguttara Nikaya 5.177

rossum
 
I get “no slaves” and “no poison”.

But no guns, steaks and beer?

Your Buddha was a real “downer”… 👍
 
Show me where in the Bible Jesus explicitly forbids the slave trade. The Buddha explicitly forbade the slave trade. Yes, some Buddhists are not good. Is every Christian a saint?

The Buddha was better than Jesus in this matter.

rossum
Jesus does not get too specific about slavery because he doesn’t have to. His focus is on virtue. That’s why at the center of his preaching is:

“Do unto others as you’d have others do unto you.”

Any fool could infer from that: slavery is wrong.

So is everything else that involves exploitation of others, including the terrible sex trafficking observed in Buddhist cultures.

So it seems Buddhists do not follow the Buddha as to **business in human beings. **
 
Drop the “true Christians” please. For the majority of its history, Christianity has allowed slavery. It is only in the last 300 years or so that things have changed. If anything the pro-slavery faction has the greater weight of Christian history on its side.

Since everyone gets to define their own version of “true Christian” the phrase becomes meaningless. There are plenty of Protestants who will tell you that Catholics are not “true Christians” for example.
I clearly specified that true Christians observe the precept “love your neighbour as yourself”. That fact refutes your assertion that the expression “true Christian” is meaningless. You also need to substantiate your allegation that the pro-slavery faction has the greater weight of Christian history on its side. Which saints and popes have endorsed slavery? Please cite just one instance of Christian teaching that slavery is permissible.
 
It doesn’t follow that the existence of the universe is due to an infinite regression! Otherwise the principle of causality would be worthless and the Theory of Everything would be unscientific. If you gave that explanation to astronomers and cosmologists they would laugh at you…
“an eternal multiverse” is an unsubstantiated hypothesis. Please produce specific evidence that there are “local universes”.
 
The story about the arrow is superficial with limited applicability as a symbol for the human condition.

If one is engaged in warfare, it is best to know everything one can about the enemy.
A projectile piercing the skin may be best treated by cutting it out or by running it through.
Pulling it out may be what causes most of the damage.
Obviously one should have an idea as to the poison which it may carry, the mechanism by which it causes harm and its treatment.
At least the healer should be aware of all this, if the patient relies merely on faith.
It is also a fact that some substances may be actually beneficial,
insulin in the case of the diabetic and
the suffering described in the Beatitudes for the human spirit.

If you contemplate the parable of the foolish virgins, you might find in it something applicable to yourself.

That’s what you say.

Yet,

you

are

here.

:hmmm:

Scientists would be wasting their time, presumably dying over and over and over again, as they shun enlightenment in their vain search.

Maybe there is something more to the gaining of knowledge,
a pursuit of the truth that does not conflict with the quest for enlightenment,
that perhaps is one and the same thing
  • a journey towards ultimate reality,
    that will be found to be love.
It all seems so hopeless…
 
Drop the “true Christians” please. For the majority of its history, Christianity has allowed slavery. It is only in the last 300 years or so that things have changed. If anything the pro-slavery faction has the greater weight of Christian history on its side.

Since everyone gets to define their own version of “true Christian” the phrase becomes meaningless. There are plenty of Protestants who will tell you that Catholics are not “true Christians” for example.

rossum
Chattel slavery is different than serving the master you are indebted too until paid.
 
There is no need for an infinite regression. Have an eternal multiverse which causes local universes, one of which we live in. No infinite regression. The multiverse performs the same logical function as God, but without the theological properties.

The integers just show that infinite regressions are possible and cannot be dismissed out of hand.

rossum
No first universe exists? We just keep claiming there was one before the one before? Universes making universes? Why?
 
There is no need for an infinite regression. Have an eternal multiverse which causes local universes, one of which we live in. No infinite regression. The multiverse performs the same logical function as God, but without the theological properties.

The integers just show that infinite regressions are possible and cannot be dismissed out of hand.

rossum
The multiverse cannot be observed. Besides all possible universes exist including one with God. Fake universes exist too. One exists without fake news.🙂

It is a construct and leads to many absurdities. Having to choose between the two I go with Revelation. And I have to honor the source which is truth itself, aka God.
 
It was in Christian countries that slavery was eventually abolished. In North America a war was fought between ostensible Christians to abolish it. Read some history and find out why today only in dominantly non-Christians countries do you find sex slave traffic going on.

Buddhism is the dominant religion of Thailand.

endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/history-of-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-in-thailand
And we do see Popes speaking out against slavery. Why? Because Catholic teaching is the dignity of all humans.
 
Show me where in the Bible Jesus explicitly forbids the slave trade. The Buddha explicitly forbade the slave trade. Yes, some Buddhists are not good. Is every Christian a saint?

The Buddha was better than Jesus in this matter.[The Buddha said:] “A lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison.” (emphasis added)

— Anguttara Nikaya 5.177rossum
**Slavery
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Let My People Go: The Catholic Church and Slavery
 
That’s why at the center of his preaching is:

“Do unto others as you’d have others do unto you.”

Any fool could infer from that: slavery is wrong.
So, most Christians up to about 1700 were fools? You might want to rephrase there.
So it seems Buddhists do not follow the Buddha as to **business in human beings. **
Just as many Christians do not follow Christ. There is sex-trafficking in Christian countries as well as in Christian countries.

It is all to easy to compare the ideal behaviour of one religion with the real behaviour of adherents of a different religion to make the first religion appear better.

rossum
 
I clearly specified that true Christians observe the precept “love your neighbour as yourself”. That fact refutes your assertion that the expression “true Christian” is meaningless. You also need to substantiate your allegation that the pro-slavery faction has the greater weight of Christian history on its side. Which saints and popes have endorsed slavery? Please cite just one instance of Christian teaching that slavery is permissible.
All “true Buddhists” observe the Buddhist precepts, so that gets you nowhere.

As to history, look at the dates that slavery was abolished and look at the dates Christianity was established. In 1452 Pope Nicholas II issues Dum Diversas which allowed the taking of non-Christians as slaves, so we have the period up to 1452 as definitely pro-slavery.

rossum
 
“an eternal multiverse” is an unsubstantiated hypothesis. Please produce specific evidence that there are “local universes”.
An eternal God is also a scientifically unsubstantiated hypothesis.

As to local universes we have evidence for at least one. We know that it is “local” because it only covers a part (not all) of space-time.

rossum
 
And we do see Popes speaking out against slavery. Why? Because Catholic teaching is the dignity of all humans.
Pope Nicholas II 1452 Dum Diversas.

That gives us 1,400 years of Christian support for slavery. Get back to me in 2800 CE or so and we can see how things are going.

rossum
 
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