Detroit's pacifist bishop resigns-Pope to announce the move today

[msproule]

Here is another article that somehow was overlooked yesterday:

Open letter from Detroit Catholic Bishop Thomas Gumbleton

Dear Friends,

On Thursday of this past week, Pope Benedict XVI accepted my resignation from the office of auxiliary bishop to Cardinal Maida…

 

[Detroit_Sue]

msproule:

At best it will reduce his credibility, if only a small amount. Currently, I think many of his favorite media outlets mislead unsuspecting readers and listeners by qualifying his statements and actions with the fact that he is a Bishop of the Archdiocese of Detroit even though he does not often speak on its behalf.

But, he will still retain his title in emeritus status.

It is intriguing to consider the timing of recent events, isn’t it?

Either way, I will continue to pray for him.

I’m pretty sure the kiss of death was his ill-timed “revelation.”

Even the Michigan (cafeteria) Catholic did not have a kindly, empathetic response to his actions.

Lifesite was not so kind, either about his activism and speeches.

I feel like I got an early birthday present.

 

[frommi]

Detroit Sue:

I’m pretty sure the kiss of death was his ill-timed “revelation.”

Even the Michigan (cafeteria) Catholic did not have a kindly, empathetic response to his actions.

Lifesite was not so kind, either about his activism and speeches.

I feel like I got an early birthday present.

How these things could be linked is beyond me…

And why we would act like his retirement is anything important is also beyond me…

And why anyone would sit there smiling because a man retires is beyond me as well.

Retirement is a time to celebrate the good that a person does in his vocation or profession.

Bp. Gumbleton has done plenty good. It takes an awful lot to stand up and say what you believe to be true and not react with rancor or bitterness when you are misrepresented by folks with an agenda that runs counter to the gospel.

 

[Toni]

frommi:

And why anyone would sit there smiling because a man retires is beyond me as well…

You would of had to live in MI to understand this. If you were you would be smiling so fast you might be able to eat a banana sideways. Ask my husband he thought I could yesterday after reading this.

frommi:

Retirement is a time to celebrate the good that a person does in his vocation or profession…

Oh don’t get us wrong we are celebrating.:clapping:

frommi:

Bp. Gumbleton has done plenty good. It takes an awful lot to stand up and say what you believe to be true and not react with rancor or bitterness when you are misrepresented by folks with an agenda that runs counter to the gospel.

Outside of Mass (the consecration that he has done many times list one good thing for every bad thing and if you can list more good things I will throw away my computer.

 

[frommi]

It’s interesting…but the paper said this today:

“The 11 a.m. Sunday mass draws a diverse crowd, who come from nearby and as far away as Farmington Hills and Ann Arbor.”

So as one website put it…are these people all heterodox…or do they just know good pastoring when they see it?

 

[Detroit_Sue]

People will drive miles to hear a priest of like spirtuality. That’s why Assumption Grotto is thriving. St. Josaphat.

You make it seem that none of us really know what Gumbleton is “all about.”

My dad was a Detroit cop for 25 years. He went to Mass before his shift every day. One day, Gumbleton was the presider. He pointed at my father and said, “The PIGS are the reason there are so many problems in this city!”

My dad stood up, walked out, and stayed away from the Church and the Sacraments for 40 years. Yup, that’s good pastoring.

 

[msproule]

frommi:

“The 11 a.m. Sunday mass draws a diverse crowd, who come from nearby and as far away as Farmington Hills and Ann Arbor.”

Farmington HIlls is not very far away from St. Leo’s and Ann Arbor, well, what can I say about A2?

 

[Detroit_Sue]

msproule:

Farmington HIlls is not very far away from St. Leo’s and Ann Arbor, well, what can I say about A2?

Ever been to Mass at St. Mary’s on campus? It’s so weird that even my uber liberal U-M grad son got creeped out!

Edited to add:
Well, here’s an abuse right here - from today’s article in the Free Press:

*St. Leo’s service stretches past 90 minutes, and the choir sings African-American spirituals. *

OK, but are they CATHOLIC? Or “This Little Light of Mine” stuff?
*
In other parishes, the Peace of Christ handshake with people in adjacent pews takes a minute. But at St. Leo’s, it resembles a 10-minute celebration as parishioners migrate around the church grasping hands with friends as well as first-timers.*

And that is an interruption and distraction from the Sacrifice of the Mass. Kumbayah, my Lord…

 

[frommi]

Detroit Sue:

Ever been to Mass at St. Mary’s on campus? It’s so weird that even my uber liberal U-M grad son got creeped out!

Edited to add:
Well, here’s an abuse right here - from today’s article in the Free Press:

*St. Leo’s service stretches past 90 minutes, and the choir sings African-American spirituals. *

OK, but are they CATHOLIC? Or “This Little Light of Mine” stuff?
*
In other parishes, the Peace of Christ handshake with people in adjacent pews takes a minute. But at St. Leo’s, it resembles a 10-minute celebration as parishioners migrate around the church grasping hands with friends as well as first-timers.*

And that is an interruption and distraction from the Sacrifice of the Mass. Kumbayah, my Lord…

Yep…wouldn’t want to show any love during our celebration of the Eucharist.

 

[msproule]

Detroit Sue:

Ever been to Mass at St. Mary’s on campus? It’s so weird that even my uber liberal U-M grad son got creeped out!

Yes, I went there as an observer (before I became Catholic). Needless to say, it very nearly halted my conversion!

In all fairness, it is balanced out these days by Saint Thomas, Saint Patrick, and Christ the King.

 

[Detroit_Sue]

frommi:

Yep…wouldn’t want to show any love during our celebration of the Eucharist.

It’s inappropriate at that point in the Mass. If they want to have a love fest, move over to the social hall for coffee & donuts after Mass.

Yep, wouldn’t want to interfere with social time with a little thing called the General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

**“The priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers but always remains within the sanctuary, so as not to disturb the celebration. In the dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present) the priest may offer the sign of peace to a few of the faithful near the sanctuary” (154).
**

frommi, haven’t we gone round about all this before…just before Bp. Carlson was assigned? This feels like a dead horse to me. Maybe we could exchange altar bread recipes.

http://fs6.deviantart.com/i/2005/064/c/0/Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

 

[frommi]

Detroit Sue:

It’s inappropriate at that point in the Mass. If they want to have a love fest, move over to the social hall for coffee & donuts after Mass.

Yep, wouldn’t want to interfere with social time with a little thing called the General Instruction of the Roman Missal.

**“The priest may give the sign of peace to the ministers but always remains within the sanctuary, so as not to disturb the celebration. In the dioceses of the United States of America, for a good reason, on special occasions (for example, in the case of a funeral, a wedding, or when civic leaders are present) the priest may offer the sign of peace to a few of the faithful near the sanctuary” (154).
**

frommi, haven’t we gone round about all this before…just before Bp. Carlson was assigned? This feels like a dead horse to me. Maybe we could exchange altar bread recipes.

http://fs6.deviantart.com/i/2005/064/c/0/Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

I dont believe we ever went around about anything in particular.

What Im objecting to here is your “I’m a cafeteria Catholic and proud of it” stance.

You simply don’t have the right to have this attitude towards a successor of the apostles.

 

[Detroit_Sue]

Huh?

I am the furthest thing from a cafeteria Catholic you’ll ever see.

I don’t have the “right” to my opinion?

Everything I’ve posted here and linked to is the truth - and I don’t have the “right” to rejoice at his retirement?

Does a bishop have the “right” to be a dissident, when at his ordination he pledges obedience to the Holy Father?

Nay, I think the cafeteria Catholic here is you.

 

[aimee]

Detroit Sue:

Huh?

I am the furthest thing from a cafeteria Catholic you’ll ever see.

I don’t have the “right” to my opinion?

Everything I’ve posted here and linked to is the truth - and I don’t have the “right” to rejoice at his retirement?

Does a bishop have the “right” to be a dissident, when at his ordination he pledges obedience to the Holy Father?

Nay, I think the cafeteria Catholic here is you.

This Bishop is into pax christi. …which is a dissenting group…

 

[Corki]

Detroit Sue:

Ever been to Mass at St. Mary’s on campus? It’s so weird that even my uber liberal U-M grad son got creeped out!

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St. Mary’s shouldn’t be held against the Bishop. When I was there (many moons ago) they were soooooo proud of the fact that they were giving out communion in the hand even before the indult and that they had an ever-so-tasty communion bread recipie. The priest gleefully told us how he kept the former from the Bishop, even when the Bishop came to Mass there.

 

[frommi]

Detroit Sue:

Huh?

I am the furthest thing from a cafeteria Catholic you’ll ever see.

I don’t have the “right” to my opinion?

Everything I’ve posted here and linked to is the truth - and I don’t have the “right” to rejoice at his retirement?

Does a bishop have the “right” to be a dissident, when at his ordination he pledges obedience to the Holy Father?

Nay, I think the cafeteria Catholic here is you.

Last time I checked, this was not a church about rights.

You don’t have the right to pick and choose the successor of the apostles you’re going to listen to.

 

[Walt_Oliver]

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Walt

 

[GloriaPatri4]

Any more word on Bishop Gumbleton’s retirement in the Detroit area yet?

 

[Libero]

People here should stop complaining about Bishop Gumbleton, you have really no right to complain, nobody here is a priest, nor are they a bishop, thus, a mans life long devotion and always 100% effort to the church should not be criticised.

Secondly, I like Bishop Gumbleton, when I here about what he strives to acheive, I think, “there is someone who is so alive with a simple message of love for all - one who has energy purely from that message”.

Whilst you may disagree with his take on some matters, he has also acheived numerous great feats, he has flown all over the world to try and defend those who are being unjustly persecuted, Bishop Gumbleton is a good man, and has proven a popular person among a number of my non Catholic friends, when thet heard of his very vocal opposition to the war.

 

[aimee]

Libero:

People here should stop complaining about Bishop Gumbleton, you have really no right to complain, nobody here is a priest, nor are they a bishop, thus, a mans life long devotion and always 100% effort to the church should not be criticised.

Secondly, I like Bishop Gumbleton, when I here about what he strives to acheive, I think, “there is someone who is so alive with a simple message of love for all - one who has energy purely from that message”.

Whilst you may disagree with his take on some matters, he has also acheived numerous great feats, he has flown all over the world to try and defend those who are being unjustly persecuted, Bishop Gumbleton is a good man, and has proven a popular person among a number of my non Catholic friends, when thet heard of his very vocal opposition to the war.

no doubt