Detroit's Tridentine Mass

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David,

Can post a schedule of events? Or can you post the church’s web site if there is one?

I like to attend the churches that are celebrating their anniversaries, saint feast days and so on.

Maggie
 
Tridentine Mass in Detroit?? I live in Flint… how come I didn’t know about this???

Sigh… not like it matters… my parents don’t care to drive that far. Sometimes we meet up with friends at Christ the King in Ann Arbor, though. Pretty church, but too…new…
 
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cardenio:
Tridentine Mass in Detroit?? I live in Flint… how come I didn’t know about this???

Sigh… not like it matters… my parents don’t care to drive that far. Sometimes we meet up with friends at Christ the King in Ann Arbor, though. Pretty church, but too…new…
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It would be well worth the hour drive to go to Mass at St. Jospahat. I haven’t been to the Tridentine yet, but I have gone to NO Mass there. It’s gorgeous. Look here.
 
Detroit Sue:
It would be well worth the hour drive to go to Mass at St. Jospahat. I haven’t been to the Tridentine yet, but I have gone to NO Mass there. It’s gorgeous. Look here.
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whoa! that picture took my breath away!
 
<<Tridentine Mass in Detroit?? I live in Flint… how come I didn’t know about this???>>
Cardenio,
Do you attend the Latin Mass in Flint?
If you do come to Detroit, St. Josaphat’s is beside I-75. Take the Warren Ave. exit immediately south of I-94 (maybe a hundred yards). At the top of the ramp, there is a traffic light. Go straight after the light and the church is at the end of that block. There is a parking lot. Be sure to come to the reception after Mass - it’s right across the parking lot from the church.
David
 
Or if you’re feeling like travelling a little bit longer, you could cross the border into Canada and come to the Windsor Tridentine Mass. It is held each Sunday at 2:00PM.

In fact, on Oct. 23rd, the organist from the Detroit Tridentine Mass will be playing our Mass in Windsor (I’ll step aside for the weekend) with a special soloist and choir. Mass is at 2:00, remember.

Plus you could check out our Church’s music webpage:
socr.uwindsor.ca/~meloc19/musicprogram.htm
 
It is indeed a busy time for the Tridentine Mass in the Detroit area. To summarize:

Sunday, Oct. 16 at 4:00 PM: Pontifical Mass at All Saints Church in Flint, to be celebrated by the Bishop of the Diocese of Lansing, His Excellency Carl Mengeling. Dinner after Mass. Web site: rc.net/lansing/latinmass/

Sunday, Oct, 23 at 2:00 PM: Mass in Thanksgiving for the second anniversary of the Tridentine Mass at St. Michael’s Church in Windsor, Ontario, to be celebrated by Fr. Ulysses Lefaive, with visiting choir and organist. Reception after Mass. Web site: windsorlatinmass.org

Wed-Sat, Oct. 26-29 at 7:00 PM: Nightly Benediction and talks by Fr. James Miara of the Archdiocese of New York at St. Josaphat Church, Detroit. Web site: stjosaphatchurch.org

Sunday, Oct. 30 at 9:30 AM: Solemn High Mass in Thanksgiving for the first anniversary of the Tridentine Mass at St. Josaphat Church, Detroit, to be celebrated by Fr. James Miara. Visiting choir and soloists. Reception after Mass.

The web sites don’t have specific information on them; please call or e-mail if you would like additional information.

I hope some of you can make it to one or more of these events!

Alex
 
Chris in Mich:
It sure has been nice to have Fr. Perrone the last couple of weeks, his homily framed the reasons for the TLM beautifully.
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Anyone know how to predict when he will be there again? What time is this Mass? I sing with the choir at our 9:30 at Grotto. I see him often and can ask, but I don’t think he wants too many of us regular grotto-goers to know otherwise we may run off to St. Josephat.

:rotfl:

I’ll have to ask him for a copy of his sermon on the TLM. All of his other regular Sermons from Grotto are posted here:

assumptiongrotto.com/Sermons.htm

And, if you like his talks, you may like his October 16 bulletin if you didn’t get a chance to read it.

assumptiongrotto.com/pastor%20files/10-16-05.htm
 
The music at last Sunday’s Mass was terrific. The Ave Maria was one of the most beautiful songs I have ever heard in church. I had the song in my head the rest of the day. Does anyone know who the soloist was who sang it?
 
Catcher5: The soloist was Melinda Enns, a Montreal-based professional soprano who is a friend of our music director and regularly visits St. Josaphat. She may be back on Oct. 30, Nov. 13, and Christmas Day, pending some logistics. If you liked her Ave Maria, you’ll love her singing Mozart’s Laudate Dominum, which she regularly does here.

Lux: Mass is at 9:30 AM. Fr. Perrone is not on the list of celebrants scheduled through the end of December. But Fr. Seitz, whom you must know, is scheduled for Nov. 13, Nov. 27, Dec. 18, and Dec. 25.

netmil(name removed by moderator): Fr. Ben is scheduled for Nov. 6.

Come on down!
 
Well, I struck out getting a copy of that TLM sermon from Fr. Perrone. He says he didn’t keep it.

:crying:

Was this homily during the summer or within the last few weeks. Does anyone recall what weekend he was there if it was recent? I’m beginning to wonder if my dear pastor is capable of bi-location. I knew he was special, but geez!

Yes, I do know Fr. Seitz. Fine priest indeed.

I do hope you’ll keep us updated on the schedule if you get copies of it after the first of the year. In fact, I’d appreciate a PM should you notice Fr. Perrone on the list. I may try to sneak over if it doesn’t conflict with a choir time.

:tiphat: Much obliged!!!

BTW - those are his sermons in my sig!
 
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AlexB:
marcus29:

The music director at St. Josaphat has the following response to your question:

The practice of organ accompanying the Introit and Gradual is most popular in France and is observed in only a small minority of North American TLM sites. We are striving to conform to mainstream TLM norms at St. Josaphat and therefore do not intend to adopt this practice.

If you have information to the contrary, please see the music director after Mass.
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I would bet that the music director at St. Josephat is too young to remember the practice before Vatican II. In actual fact, Gregorian Chant was relatively rare in North America before Vatican II but where it was sung, except perhaps in some monasteries, it usually had organ accompaniment. I never heard it sung without except from the Gloria of Holy Thursday to the Gloria of the Easter Vigil during which time it was forbidden. Among the best accompaniment was that by Achille Braggers from New York. Any of his books of accompaniment are well worth having.

Theoretically Gregrorian Chant, because it is monophonic, is thought to be better without accompaniment but this was ignored even back in the Renaisance. It is the purists of the Post Vatican II chant revival who argue that the chant must be unaccompanied. Except where the accoustics are quite exceptional and the choir full and well trained, it is a mistake to sing the chant unaccompanied as it tends to sound dry. Accompanying Gregorian Chant properly is an art which gives the chant warmth and solemnity.All else being equal, the use of accompaniment is really a matter of personal taste, much like the use of Latin or Gothic vestments.

You might look up Mary Berry of Great Britain for more information opn this subject. I understand she is one of the world authorities on Gregorian Chant and she DOES use accompaniment at least sometimes.
 
This past week has been extremely blessed.
The days of adoration and recollection were still good despite Fr. Miara’s need to cancel. I hope he comes back at some time.
The Feast of Christ the King was wonderful and Fr. Borkowski did a very good job. The Solemn High Mass was good and the homily was so good that at some point I wanted to scream “Amen” like on those preaching revivals.
Please pray for this Tridentine Community and for this Archdiocese.
Most Sacred Heart of Jesus Have Mercy on us
Our Lady of Czestochowa Pray for us
O Good St. Anne Pray for us
St. Philomena Pray for Us
 
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AlexB:
netmil(name removed by moderator): Fr. Ben is scheduled for Nov. 6.

Come on down!
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I’m not netmil(name removed by moderator), but I met with Fr. Ben a few weeks ago, and he strongly encouraged me to attend this Mass. I’m a convert (in RCIA, actually), and am a bit nervous about whether I’m going to be able to follow along. Any suggestions?
 
In the vestibule of St. Josaphat, you will find red Latin/English missalettes, with green inserts that have the propers of the Mass (the day’s unique readings and prayers). These are designed to assist you in following along with the celebrant. You don’t need to know Latin.

Others on this board have recommended that at your first TLM, you shouldn’t even try to read along in the booklet, but rather take in the sights and sounds of the Mass. Sit near the front, but not at the front, so that you can observe the Mass up close, but can stand, sit, and kneel following the lead of others.

The TLM progresses much as a Novus Ordo Mass, so you will recognize the basic elements of the Mass (readings, offertory, Eucharistic Prayer/Canon, etc.). What you will find most different is the silence, use of chant, and focus on the Mass as a sacrifice. If you do read along in the missal, you will see that, compared to the Novus Ordo, prayers are lengthier, more specific, more focused on the unworthiness of the priest to celebrate such an august sacrifice.

Don’t be fearful of the TLM; think of it as a great part of our Catholic heritage that you will be witnessing for the first time. Its reverent tone may help you to understand why so many martyrs died for our Holy Faith.

After Mass, come over to the social hall for the reception. You’ll find many people happy to assist you in becoming more familiar with the TLM.
 
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AlexB:
In the vestibule of St. Josaphat, you will find red Latin/English missalettes, with green inserts that have the propers of the Mass (the day’s unique readings and prayers). These are designed to assist you in following along with the celebrant. You don’t need to know Latin.
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The missal was relatively easy to follow, except that the silent prayers of the celebrant threw me off a few times.

BTW, I’m just way too blessed for words to have Fr. Ben as my pastor! I met a small handful of folks at the social hour who told me how much they love him. We’re really spoiled at SS Cyril’s!

Fr. Ben’s homily was outstanding. One of the ladies at my table during social hour commented how much she loved Fr. Ben, but she’s learned to bring tissues when he preaches, because he always makes her cry. Another lady commented that Fr. Ben is able to clearly state in a single sentence what takes other preachers two or more paragraphs. Very true.

What a blessing. I’m going to have to bring my wife some time after the first of the year.

Dan
 
This Sunday is the Sunday closest to the Feast of St. Josaphat Bishop and Martyr. Since St. Josaphat is the patron saint of the Church Fr. Borkowski has graciously permitted the veneration of the first class relic of St. Josaphat after the 9:30 AM Tridentine Mass this Sunday. This relic is normally next to the crucifix above the tabernacle. Also as is the custom of this church the Icon of St. Josaphat will be hung above the high altar in place of the Black Madonna for this Sunday.

Please come on this special Sunday
God Bless
 
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