Deus Volt!

[quasimodo]

DominvsVobiscvm:

They belong to the Church’s authentic Ordinary Magisteirum.

If the Church has erred on this, then for centuries she has been teaching a false teaching, leading innumerable members of her flock into sin, possibly eternal damnation.

It is my understanding that the princilpes of just war are just that … “principles” (or a theory) of a “just” war. It is my understanding that those principles do not represent the teaching of the ordinary magisterium but are rather a bit of wisdom propagated by Augustine that do not now nor have they ever fallen into the relm of infallible teaching. What the heck. I’ll propose this to the experts, the Catholic Answers Apologists. (but until then you are wrong )

edit: I’ll have to wait until the ask an apologist forum is open

 

[Karl_Keating]

ChrisR246:

I was trying to get at the actual call for the Crusade, not the actual phrase “Deus Vult”.

As to the misspelling, I apologize.

The misspelling didn’t bother me. I thought you were just emphasizing God’s electrifying power with “Deus Volt.”

 

[ChrisR246]

Karl Keating:

The misspelling didn’t bother me. I thought you were just emphasizing God’s electrifying power with “Deus Volt.”

I wish I were that clever.

Howzabout weighing in with your opinion?

 

[DominvsVobiscvm]

While the just war principles may, at one point in history, been mere theological speculation, the Church has long, long accepted them as her own, which is why they’re traditionally appeared in her Catechisms.

The Church’s 2000-year praxis is also important to note on this point. The Church has never said that warfare is evil. Quite the contrary, she not only tolerates it, but upholds many of its practioners as models of sanctity.

These just-war principles are nothing but the formilation of principles set forth clearly in the Sacred Scriptures. All of them have a rational basis, and have formed the Church’s practice for 2000 years. If they don’t belong to the Church’s Ordinary Magisterium, then what does?

Do you really think that it is possible that the Church’s Magisterium has led monarchs and soldiers astray for the past 20 centuries.

 

[quasimodo]

DominvsVobiscvm:

While the just war principles may, at one point in history, been mere theological speculation, the Church has long, long accepted them as her own, which is why they’re traditionally appeared in her Catechisms.

The Church’s 2000-year praxis is also important to note on this point. The Church has never said that warfare is evil. Quite the contrary, she not only tolerates it, but upholds many of its practioners as models of sanctity.

These just-war principles are nothing but the formilation of principles set forth clearly in the Sacred Scriptures. All of them have a rational basis, and have formed the Church’s practice for 2000 years. If they don’t belong to the Church’s Ordinary Magisterium, then what does?

Do you really think that it is possible that the Church’s Magisterium has led monarchs and soldiers astray for the past 20 centuries.

The Just War Theory is a tool, not part of the deposit of faith handed down by the apostles. It is not an infallible teaching as it could be refined or eliminated altogether as human technology and learning advance (real learning). It is a tool, not a matter of faith and morals. While it is old, it has not been taught for 20 centuries.

 

[DominvsVobiscvm]

The Just War Theory is a tool, not part of the deposit of faith handed down by the apostles.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

While you’re correct in saying that the Just War Theory, specifically articulated, has ot existed for 2000 years, the principles which it articulates most certainly have.

Can you give an example of a period in the Churc’s history when Catholic soldiers and monarchs were not obligated to act in accordance with these principles?

And what prohibits them, in your view, from being part of the Ordinary Magisterium? Their very placement in the Catechism presupposes theiir being an authoritative part of this Magisterium.

 

[DominvsVobiscvm]

It is also interesting to note that the Church does not have a Just War Theory, but a Just War Doctrine. The phrase “Just War Thory” is used by secularists and Protestants who don’t have an authoritative doctrine on the subject.

As the Church long ago embraced this doctrine, it can no longer be considered “Theory.”

 

[StevieP]

Just in case any one cares, the idea of a just war can be traced back to Aristotle in his Nicomachean Ethics and the term “just war” was not invented by Catholics but by , get ready for this…the Romans!!! Yup, good ol’ Cicero is credited as being the first to use this term although Aristotle all but spells out the idea of just war in the ethics and in his politics. You may now resume you’re regularly scheduled discussions…already in progree.