DeVos booed speaking at historically black university

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Padres1969 said:
Didn’t say she needs to be proud of them. But stripping funding from them rather than attempting to improve them isn’t really a solution 😉
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Throwing money at it hasn’t worked. The administrations take all the money
 
Padres1969 said:
Didn’t say she needs to be proud of them. But stripping funding from them rather than attempting to improve them isn’t really a solution 😉
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Can you give me an example of where she has cut their funding?
 
Padres1969 said:
That was hysterical. What made her possibly think speaking at a school event, particularly a HBCU, after what she’s done and said would have possibly been a good idea. :confused:
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The entire Administration is trying to reach to minority groups----even though their (sometimes unwanted) deflector shield of rich white liberalism tries to block it for their own selfish interests.
 
Sarcelle said:
Dave Rubin?

One of the most even keeled classical liberals out there had has his speech banned?

The inmates have definitely taken over the asylum that is academia.
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Well, that’s as good analogy as any because Milo (a gay Jewish/Catholic man) has campus events frequently cancelled.

It also makes it easier for Catholics to attack him since he’s right and not left. They get their jollies while avoid because homophobic racist bigots.

Back to Rubin, this happened shortly after Milo underground briefly before his Cinco de Milo launch.

What people, especially people over 35 or those who didn’t go to a 4-year college, need to realize is that this. never. stops.

As Jordan Peterson notes “ideologues battle for one thing: purity”.
 
Michael68 said:
So MLK didn’t tell them to just sit? He didn’t tell them to not speak? Nice to know Selma is a fiction film. Thanx!
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The point isn’t simply what happened at Selma (or the small portion of those events engaged by the film you saw). Dr. King was a visionary leader who engaged in hundreds of events over the course of years. That the approach he took in Selma he took in Selma is not necessarily indicative of his larger thoughts.

Further, raising Dr. King in the way you are doing so here is at best cheapening his memory and the memory of civil rights-- it’s a dressed up version of “I have a black friend.” This doesn’t even get into the fact that there are forms of peaceful protest of which Dr. King might not have availed himself but which are nonetheless legitimate non-violent protest.
 
jesucated said:
Students, parents, and alums began to protest the choice the minute it was announced. There were petitions and demonstrations. They felt their voice was not heard, so the students chose to continue to protest at the graduation ceremony.

Maybe read the rest of the background on the event before coming down on the students.
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So they acted like spoiled brats? Too bad Obama couldn’t have gone, but they probably
couldn’t have afforded his fee. I think he was in Italy anyway. Speaking about climate change.
 
jesucated said:
I’m learning a lot From CAF posters over the past few days. Apparently if black students want to hold a special graduation that they fund for themselves (at Harvard), that’s a problem. Likewise, if black students at an HBCU want to peacefully protest a graduation speaker, that’s a problem. I’m beginning to wonder what CAF posters do want black students to do other than to smile and not be disagreeable.
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Before you complete this all-too common, double-edged strawman, there are proper ways to be disagreeable. College students who are rude and show no matters will not be by hired me and probably not by my associates if they saw this video.

The only real leg you have to stand is that this is step-up from the shut-them down mentality all often resulting in left-wing violence and screaming that is denied on here amidst lame excuses like “security concerns” that no one really buys and are designed to shut-down conservative and libertarian free speech.
 
jesucated said:
The point isn’t simply what happened at Selma (or the small portion of those events engaged by the film you saw). Dr. King was a visionary leader who engaged in hundreds of events over the course of years. That the approach he took in Selma he took in Selma is not necessarily indicative of his larger thoughts.

Further, raising Dr. King in the way you are doing so here is at best cheapening his memory and the memory of civil rights-- it’s a dressed up version of “I have a black friend.” This doesn’t even get into the fact that there are forms of peaceful protest of which Dr. King might not have availed himself but which are nonetheless legitimate non-violent protest.
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:rotfl:

This has nothing to do with Selma and no one knows for sure what Dr. King would think today.
 
7_Sorrows said:
So they acted like spoiled brats?
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Again, no. They acted like individuals and a community who wanted their voice heard at an institution to which they belonged and engaged in a legitimate form of protest when they felt they weren’t being heard.

Are we going to label every group that disrupts proceedings whether it be Democrat voters in at town halls in 2017 or tea party voters in town halls in 2009/2010 spoiled brats?
 
SuperLuigi said:
Before you complete this all-too common, double-edged strawman, there are proper ways to be disagreeable. College students who are rude and show no matters will not be by hired me and probably not by my associates if they saw this video.

The only real leg you have to stand is that this is step-up from the shut-them down mentality all often resulting in left-wing violence and screaming that is denied on here amidst lame excuses like “security concerns” that no one really buys and are designed to shut-down conservative and libertarian free speech.
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Let’s not conflate what is “proper” with what you prefer. There’s a big difference there. You don’t get to establish codes of behavior for someone else’s community.

Now, you can say this is behavior that would lead you not to hire these students, but somehow I don’t think they were in danger of being hired by you regardless.
 
Padres1969 said:
School voucher programs by their nature cut funding to public schools…
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Not necessarily. But I am glad you made it clear that your objection is not based on any sort of facts, just that you perceive that she is hostile to public schools.
 
jesucated said:
The point isn’t simply what happened at Selma (or the small portion of those events engaged by the film you saw). Dr. King was a visionary leader who engaged in hundreds of events over the course of years. That the approach he took in Selma he took in Selma is not necessarily indicative of his larger thoughts.

Further, raising Dr. King in the way you are doing so here is at best cheapening his memory and the memory of civil rights-- it’s a dressed up version of “I have a black friend.” This doesn’t even get into the fact that there are forms of peaceful protest of which Dr. King might not have availed himself but which are nonetheless legitimate non-violent protest.
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Understood. I , a white man, cannot even utter MLK.
 
jesucated said:
You don’t get to establish codes of behavior for someone else’s community.
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Eh…I think some standards of behavior transcend things like community norms and are basically universal, at least if we’re going to have a non-Balkanized country.
 
Michael68 said:
Understood. I , a white man, cannot even utter MLK.
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You certainly can, but as with anything, it might benefit everyone if you read up on what you’re talking about (there are hundreds of books about Dr. King, many of which deal with his stance on peaceful protest) and engaged in a thoughtful way rather trying to bend Dr. King to you agenda saying “I watched this one movie …”
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Eh…I think some standards of behavior transcend things like community norms and are basically universal, at least if we’re going to have a non-Balkanized country.
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I concede this point, and suggest more general codes of behavior are the things we enshrine in law. But in the case of how one can legitimately peacefully protest, this does seem to depend a great deal on community norms and practices.
 
It seems to me that a lot of problems can be solved by just not having commencement speakers. They stopped doing that at our graduate commencements a few years ago. No need to protest and everyone gets home 15 minutes earlier. A win win for everyone.
 
jesucated said:
You certainly can, but as with anything, it might benefit everyone if you read up on what you’re talking about (there are hundreds of books about Dr. King, many of which deal with his stance on peaceful protest) and engaged in a thoughtful way rather trying to bend Dr. King to you agenda saying “I watched this one movie …”
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I thought it was a good example of peaceful protest but I guess I’m just not as smart as you! Damn the luck
 
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