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jesucated
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It’s a great example, just not evidence for the claims that (1) this isn’t peaceful protest and (2) Dr. King would not identify this as peaceful protest.
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BioNerd
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Of course you are! I mean, you watched Selma! You’re practically an expert on MLK.
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Wedge_Antilles
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Societal moires and decency are dependent on national customs and practices, not local community norms.
A lot of my friends chewed tobacco when I was stationed in Pensacola; that doesn’t mean most decent folks find dipping while giving a speech to be good manners. Same goes for profanity. Most normal folks have enough class and manners to not use that in public.
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7_Sorrows
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The commencement speaker at my college was supposed to have been Henry Mancini, but guess what? He had a scheduling problem so guess who we got? Mrs. Mancini!!
I had just spent 4 years in college, I wasn’t a music major and I couldn’t imagine what
she had to share. I could have decided not to attend. But I was a 22 year old college graduate. I was supposed to be mature. To this day, I cannot relate to you anything she said that day. She wasn’t controversial, but to me, she was only the wife of a very
famous musician. I wouldn’t have thought of being rude or protesting her presence.
These students should have protested the administration for not respecting their wishes rather than taking their anger out on the speaker. Very immature. The crowd mentality.
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jesucated
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With respect this feels like a very limited and limiting understanding of “decency.” How do you suggest we determine who gets to decide what is decent and what is not. We might try to invoke something like “tradition” or “common knowledge,” but we should remember such things are often rooted in racist, classist, and/or sexist, etc. practices and histories.
This is a big country, that’s made up of diverse groups of people living in a wide variety of environments. It seems perfectly fine that some social codes and behaviors be determined regionally, locally, or by subcultures.
On a fun side note, I’d suggest the following book as an interesting way of challenging your thoughts on profanity: global.oup.com/academic/product/in-praise-of-profanity-9780199337583?cc=us&lang=en&
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jesucated
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So because you didn’t protest someone you didn’t find in anyway offensive/controversial/dismissive of your experience, you’re objecting to students protesting someone about whom they did seem to feel this way?
This may provide some additional perspective: thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/11/why-did-bethune-cookman-invite-betsy-devos-in-the-first-place
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Wedge_Antilles
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I disagree, but in any case, this basically undermines the notion that anyone is boorish or crude or vulgar, since subcultures determine what is acceptable.
I’ll inform the media.
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jesucated
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I don’t think it’s the case that we spiral into the kind of relativism you seem to be suggesting by accepting regional/local/subcultural norms, and would argue that what really happens is diversity and cultural enrichment. That said, I guess we simply have to disagree on this one.
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SuperLuigi
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It should be seen as a professional opportunity for people, which I am in favour of.
Really just quitting is what those who act like cry-bullies want.
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stinkcat_14
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I don’t see the professional opportunity at commencement. In fact, I am surprised at the big deal students make about attending commencement, particularly the graduate students. Some students are more concerned about whether they can walk at commencement than they are with graduating.
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abucs
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This sort of protest adds to division and the justification for a retaliation which will lead to complete apartheid and the fighting over public resources such as schools in winner take all confrontations.
If that is what you want then hey, this protest is great.
These kids were agitated to do this against the interests and reputation of the very school that educated them.
Shame on them.
If that is what you want then hey, this protest is great.
These kids were agitated to do this against the interests and reputation of the very school that educated them.
Shame on them.
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lmachine
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lol we can’t help but institute an apartheid because you booed a speaker we had no choice
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Wedge_Antilles
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I think the major takeaway is that the students lack any class. But that reflects on their poor upbringing and education, not anyone else.
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jesucated
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This is completely irrational. You cannot draw these kinds of conclusions from a single event.
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Wedge_Antilles
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You’re right. More like that they were all drunk.
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jesucated
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Did you want to draw on any other racist stereotypes while you were at it?
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Wedge_Antilles
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If you stereotype african-americans as drunks, that is on you; I doubt most of us would agree.
I was merely laughing at the notion that their collective booing doesn’t per se reflect on their collective lack of class. That goes for white hecklers in every case as well.
Try and leave race out of at least a few discussions, please.
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jesucated
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The issue is not your intent or my interpretation. You drew on multiple classic racist images of black people in your posts. It may be entirely possible that you’re fully ignorant of these, and that you did so completely on accident. However, none of that changes the fact that you did so.
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stinkcat_14
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College student stereotypes perhaps. But the idea of accusing college students of being drunk as racist is absurd beyond belief.
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gracepoole
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Indeed.
I’m kind of baffled by those who are claiming that these students simply have “bad manners” because they booed a woman who disrespected their institution. I want my children to have manners, surely. But if it’s a toss-up between standing up to a public mischaracterization of themselves by a government official and using good manners, I’ll take the former every time.
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