DeVos booed speaking at historically black university

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Thankfully, there are many willing to protest injustices even knowing that some employers like yourself will punish them for such actions.
Agreed. Send me there seems to be growing fetishization of unwavering loyalty in the age of Mr. Trump. Given the choice, I’d rather have people around me that stand up for their beliefs and are unafraid to push back.
 
Agreed. Send me there seems to be growing fetishization of unwavering loyalty in the age of Mr. Trump. Given the choice, I’d rather have people around me that stand up for their beliefs and are unafraid to push back.
You could just as well be talking about Ms. DeVos.

We are not arguing that standing up for your beliefs is wrong. We are talking about disrespectful behavior. And intolerance of those who believe differently than you do.

Would you think favorably of Ms. DeVos if she had reprimanded the students for their views on the federal governments role in public education? What if she decided to end her speech and turn her back to the students?
 
It doesn’t really fit, of course, but it does tell one how you regard those who do not agree with you.
If I had claimed that I had earned the right to have my point of view it might have been relevant. I just made a comment based on decades of experience in higher education. If someone wants to dismiss that experience that is their choice. If someone had a compelling reason to dismiss it, I actually would be interested in hearing their argument. Which makes the video even less relevant.
 
Thankfully, there are many willing to protest injustices even knowing that some employers like yourself will punish them for such actions.
It isn’t a matter of punishment. It’s a matter of character.
 
What injustice have the students endured because of her?
:rotfl:

The most traumatic thing the average regressive leftist at a mainstream American four-year university can suffer:

A person who disagrees with their opinions showing up and talking.
 
Agreed. Send me there seems to be growing fetishization of unwavering loyalty in the age of Mr. Trump. Given the choice, I’d rather have people around me that stand up for their beliefs and are unafraid to push back.
I think “fetishization” and “unwavering loyalty” are overstatements, and show a measure of contempt for those who defend him in any manner.

Where I live is “Trump country” in a big way. 80% for him in most counties in the district. But while people like him generally, and hope he actually can reverse some of the policies of the past, they do not hesitate to take exception to his mistakes.

It isn’t easy, in the welter of wild claims and personal venom spewed at him, to actually see what he does, well or poorly. But there are people who are unencumbered by personal dislike or ideological fury, who try to see through it or around it in order to be able to see what he is actually doing or not doing.
 
I think “fetishization” and “unwavering loyalty” are overstatements, and show a measure of contempt for those who defend him in any manner.

Where I live is “Trump country” in a big way. 80% for him in most counties in the district. But while people like him generally, and hope he actually can reverse some of the policies of the past, they do not hesitate to take exception to his mistakes.

It isn’t easy, in the welter of wild claims and personal venom spewed at him, to actually see what he does, well or poorly. But there are people who are unencumbered by personal dislike or ideological fury, who try to see through it or around it in order to be able to see what he is actually doing or not doing.
Im happy to be corrected here, and I’m pleased to hear people around you are more open.

I should have been more careful to restrict my comments to the growing Trumpian zealotry on CAF.
 
Im happy to be corrected here, and I’m pleased to hear people around you are more open.

I should have been more careful to restrict my comments to the growing Trumpian zealotry on CAF.
:rotfl:

Yes, calling Trump a cheeto and even his marginal supporters nazis--------such a pro-Trump agenda on here.

There’s about 30 people posting on here consistently who don’t like Trump.

So please whining and maybe just stick to the issues.
 
:rotfl:

Yes, calling Trump a cheeto and even his marginal supporters nazis--------such a pro-Trump agenda on here.

There’s about 30 people posting on here consistently who don’t like Trump.

So please whining and maybe just stick to the issues.
First, let’s be clear that I’ve never used either of those terms.

Second, there are indeed people on CAF who don’t like Mr. Trump. However, this is not evidence that there is not a growing pro-Trump zealotry.

Finally, I’m sorry you don’t like the things I have to say, and I get that you seem to wish those who disagree with you would just go away. Unfortunately for you, that’s not going to happen.
 
Im happy to be corrected here, and I’m pleased to hear people around you are more open.

I should have been more careful to restrict my comments to the growing Trumpian zealotry on CAF.
I have sometimes wondered whether Dems are falling into a Trumpian trap. Sometimes people will defend someone only because the attack against that person is so excessive and wrong in itself. I think Hillary put her foot in a trap with that 'deplorables" and “irredeemables” business. I know people who absolutely didn’t like Trump, didn’t vote for him in the primary, but gradually became more accepting and voted for him in the general. I think a great number of people were solidified for Trump and motivated to get to the polls when they realized when Hillary talked about “deplorables” and “irredeemables”, she was talking about them or their family members or even their socioeconomic class.

And now and then Trump does something with which they agree or partly agree, and a lot of people can see it among the venom and feather storm the left is throwing up. People often sympathize with underdogs, particularly if they consider themselves to be in that category. One would never think anyone could turn a billionaire into an underdog, but I think the left might well be succeeding in doing it.

In my opinion, if the left had more sense, they would let it die down and hope for Trump to make some real mistake, and if not him, at least the Repub congress which is almost sure to oblige. The left is not really obscuring everything Trump does that a lot of people want, but they’re making themselves look like a herd of swamp creatures.
 
I think Hillary put her foot in a trap with that 'deplorables" and “irredeemables” business. I know people who absolutely didn’t like Trump, didn’t vote for him in the primary, but gradually became more accepting and voted for him in the general. I think a great number of people were solidified for Trump and motivated to get to the polls when they realized when Hillary talked about “deplorables” and “irredeemables”, she was talking about them or their family members or even their socioeconomic class.
That underscores the importance of messaging and the high potential impacts of disinformation campaigns. There was an effort, still being promoted by some apparently, to falsify what HRC said. All that is left is the buzzwords and the intentional distortion that she was talking about you!. But those words were not about socio-economics class. Far from it, and you know better.
 
Yes, calling Trump a cheeto and even his marginal supporters nazis--------such a pro-Trump agenda on here.
There’s about 30 people posting on here consistently who don’t like Trump.
Not sure what issue you are sticking to, but…
A quick search reveals that one Trump-unfriendly poster, just one, made frequent use of the epithet “cheeto”. So congratulations those who avoid the cheap shot at Trump or at his critics.
 
That underscores the importance of messaging and the high potential impacts of disinformation campaigns. There was an effort, still being promoted by some apparently, to falsify what HRC said. All that is left is the buzzwords and the intentional distortion that she was talking about you!. But those words were not about socio-economics class. Far from it, and you know better.
I heard her say it myself. I do realize the Dems have tried to explain it away since then, usually by saying she only meant “half” of Trump supporters. But she said it. Trump supporters knew who they were and they knew who other Trump supporters largely were, and it was just part of the tired old “guns and bibles” stuff the left likes to throw at the peasantry from time to time.

I do realize the left is into “disinformation campaigns”, particularly their Russia/Trump conspiracy one. But then, they might just be unwitting tools in a Putin effort to keep the government from functioning. Or at least one hopes they’re unwitting.

Did the DNC ever allow the FBI to examine their computer for Russian hackprints? I haven’t heard.
 
If I had claimed that I had earned the right to have my point of view it might have been relevant. I just made a comment based on decades of experience in higher education. If someone wants to dismiss that experience that is their choice. If someone had a compelling reason to dismiss it, I actually would be interested in hearing their argument. Which makes the video even less relevant.
All that time spent with college students and, like Ridge, no sense of humor? Of course I don’t dismiss your viewpoint. Or your time as an educator, which I highly respect. It was shared as a joke (largely because outside of that film, I’ve never heard anyone speak in such terms). Some levity might be in order for both of you.
 
I heard her say it myself. I do realize the Dems have tried to explain it away since then, usually by saying she only meant “half” of Trump supporters. But she said it. Trump supporters knew who they were and they knew who other Trump supporters largely were, and it was just part of the tired old “guns and bibles” stuff the left likes to throw at the peasantry from time to time.
Your recollection of precisely what she said may be hazy (it wasn’t just yesterday), even if you have a great recollection of your impression of what she said. Or perhaps you recall what she said very well, but have written something different here.

It is not just the matter of “half” but more so that the the talked was aimed to disabuse her audience of the idea that Trump’s supporters were all deplorable, and to express concern and solidarity on socio-economic matters. It was very easy in the campaign to spin this into something it wasn’t. And for some odd reason some like to persist in this misinformation long after the campaign. Long after it just doesn’t matter.
Did the DNC ever allow the FBI to examine their computer for Russian hackprints? I haven’t heard.
Not to my knowledge, but this just may be something that , in light of the clear statements on the subject of Russian hacks by the IC, no one thinks is important to report.
 
Im happy to be corrected here, and I’m pleased to hear people around you are more open.

I should have been more careful to restrict my comments to the growing Trumpian zealotry on CAF.
:rotfl: You can couunt the exact number of CAF members who enthusiastically support the God Emperor by using the fingers on one hand and still have a few left over.

Most support him simply because Clinton was rightfully perceived as immeasurably worse.
 
Not sure what issue you are sticking to, but…
A quick search reveals that one Trump-unfriendly poster, just one, made frequent use of the epithet “cheeto”. So congratulations those who avoid the cheap shot at Trump or at his critics.
That argument fails because this forum like most other forums are moderated.

And quick search----good honesty, but still not good methodology.

Oh, and I noticed how you avoided responding to the nazi part. Guess that one’s not as easy to excuse, huh?
 
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