DH is being reinstated to JWism...

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“Um… I still don’t get the connection.”
  1. Child abuse is sin.
  2. Some CC priests are sexabusers and CC protects that sin and inflicts it on further children.
  3. JWs do not protect sexabuse sin.
  4. In sexabuse, CC is sinful. JWs are not sinful.
    I’m sorry to express it crudely, but it is needed to reply to people “not getting it” and saying JWs are sinful compared to CC.
    chimera
 
chimera said:
I’m a JW in Australia. You are saying that you don’t want him to be a JW, for many reasons. I am pointing out that the meeting you have been invited to is an example of beneficial protection.
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Chimera,

I don’t want to offend you because of your religion but the experience I have had for the last year and half of having gone to meetings is that it wasn’t a very pleasant one. My husband was Catholic, now he is a disfellowshipped JW who sins in many ways and doesn’t tell the elders and is being reinstated.

I see how many of these JWs here sin like crazy (and I am not saying they are the only ones who sin) and get away with it. They lie so they don’t get DF’d or censored or shunned. I’m sorry to say but I have not had a good experience with your religion.

There sure is a lot of love flowing around in the congregations, but a lot of it is not sincere (at least to my point of view). To you, a fallen away JW is an apostate; to me it is the same with a fallen away Catholic. He was Catholic, to the CC he is still Catholic.

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The reason why I am sad is that I believe JWs are brainwashed. They are lied to every single day and forced to preach to others and report those hours and claim that Jesus is not God. I’m sorry to say, but you use a bible that was compiled by the CC and edited by the JWs just so that their beliefs are backed by this bible. Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??

Once you find the answer to that one, come back to me, please. No JW has been able to answer this passage to me. They all tell me they’ll get back to me.

Oh, and as I said before, I attended these meetings with DH for over a year and a half, but was never convinced, maybe for a while I was fooled but always have considered myself Catholic, and now that I am married through the CC, I am even a better Catholic than I was ever before (even before doing my confirmation). Anywho… to add to my JW experience, the pioneer who came to see me every week lied to me many, many times, and I know so because I have checked with many other JWs and have told me many of those things she teaches aren’t true! All I’ve seen there are lies, deceptions, and more lies, one after the other.

This is why I am worried my husband is a JW.

Just my :twocents: .
 
heathernoel said:
Um… I still don’t get the connection.

But, anywho, as someone who was almost sucked in…errr…recruited by JW’s…I sure as heck wouldn’t want to see my husband go, either. My prayers will be with you, hon.

And, it’s going to be SO hard (hence the prayers), but I agree. Don’t take him. You can’t, in all good conscience (I can tell by the tone of your posts) contribute to his wayward beliefs…not to mention the before mentioned contribution to sin.

Tell him you love him enough not to take him.

No way would I set foot inside a kingdom hall. It gives me the creeps 😊

I will be praying for you, hon.
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You’re a sweetie! It’s hard to say no, but I already called and told him that I cannot do it. Aside from the helping him sin, it’s a big burden to me to get off work, drive home, drive back to take him, pick him up, etc 3 times a week, and ths wk it’d be 4…
 
chimera said:
“Um… I still don’t get the connection.”
  1. Child abuse is sin.
  2. Some CC priests are sexabusers and CC protects that sin and inflicts it on further children.
  3. JWs do not protect sexabuse sin.
  4. In sexabuse, CC is sinful. JWs are not sinful.
    I’m sorry to express it crudely, but it is needed to reply to people “not getting it” and saying JWs are sinful compared to CC.
    chimera
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No offense but JWs cover up sex abuse more than any other religion in the world! You’ve been misinformed!
 
Wow. For someone trying to convince us JW’s aren’t sinful people, you are being awfully bitter. Do you really think we are going to be ‘understanding’ that a sister in Christ is in pain because of a cult? Some of us pray every day for peace within families such as hers for husbands like hers. And, we pray for you as well.

JW’s have been brainwashed, and have abused children as well…

rickross.com/groups/witness.html
silentlambs.org/
watchtowerinformationservice.org/childabuse.htm

Jehovah's Witnesses' handling of child sexual abuse - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Just to cite a few. So, let’s drop the whole child abuse, shall we?
I don’t want to go tit for tat on this subject.

Start another thread if you find it necessary to go there.
 
heathernoel said:
Wow. For someone trying to convince us JW’s aren’t sinful people, you are being awfully bitter. Do you really think we are going to be ‘understanding’ that a sister in Christ is in pain because of a cult? Some of us pray every day for peace within families such as hers for husbands like hers. And, we pray for you as well.

JW’s have been brainwashed, and have abused children as well…

rickross.com/groups/witness.html
silentlambs.org/
watchtowerinformationservice.org/childabuse.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah’s_Witnesses_and_child_sex_abuse

Just to cite a few. So, let’s drop the whole child abuse, shall we?
I don’t want to go tit for tat on this subject.

Start another thread if you find it necessary to go there.
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Thanks heathernoel, I was searching for those sites to give them to Chimera.
 
👍

I will be starting my evening Rosary soon, and your I will offer your husband’s conversion up.
 
Wow, many things… The fact of the disfellowshipping shows that when wrong is known, action is taken. The elders are just men who can’t know what people lie about. But when CC does know about priests, it acts to protect them by moving them to a new cong. The only protection is done by government law courts.
If you found that you had been lied to, then elders would act if they were told by you of the lies, if reasonably provable. Was it “lying” or youthful lack of knowledge by that pioneer?
Thomas: He was impulsive, and said “let us go and die with Lazarus”.John 11.16.“Unless I see the nail marks in Jesus’ hands I won’t believe”.John 20.25. Then Jesus reproved him. So Thomas’ words are not what Jesus would say, but Thomas’ erratic opinion.
If driving the car is a problem, could you tell the elders who want to be involved with you and ask for someone else to drive him?
chimera
 
chimera said:
Wow, many things… The fact of the disfellowshipping shows that when wrong is known, action is taken. The elders are just men who can’t know what people lie about. But when CC does know about priests, it acts to protect them by moving them to a new cong. The only protection is done by government law courts.
If you found that you had been lied to, then elders would act if they were told by you of the lies, if reasonably provable. Was it “lying” or youthful lack of knowledge by that pioneer?
Thomas: He was impulsive, and said “let us go and die with Lazarus”.John 11.16.“Unless I see the nail marks in Jesus’ hands I won’t believe”.John 20.25. Then Jesus reproved him. So Thomas’ words are not what Jesus would say, but Thomas’ erratic opinion.
If driving the car is a problem, could you tell the elders who want to be involved with you and ask for someone else to drive him?
chimera
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This thread is not about child abuse. Please start another one if that is your concern and do not derail this thread.
 
" Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??"
Thomas was impulsive and when Lazarus died, said "Let’s go that we also may die"John11.16. and “Unless I see the nail marks I won’t believe”. Then “My Lord and God”. Jesus then reproved him John 20.24-9. So Thomas’ words were his own erratic expression, not words from Jesus.
If driving the car is a problem, could you tell the elders and someone else can likely drive.
chimera
 
yessisan said:
How can I say no to him if he cannot drive himself? I wouldn’t want another JW coming to my house to take him. I hate having them over because they always try to get me to attend their meetings. I have learned to dislike them. They are nice people but they do not respect anyone’s religion, they don’t even respect their own people…
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I would love to have them over all the time picking him up.
I would open the door and wish them a very nice day, with my rosary beads in my hand, and explain to them I was about to say a decade of the Rosary for my husband.
I would invite them in and make them a coffee, in coffee mugs I searched high and low for that had pictures of Mary or Jesus on the Cross on them (no idea if these are made, or whether they are considered sacreligious, but it would sure upset them).
I would love every opportunity to show them how happy I was as a Catholic, and their persistance will never beat the power of the True church.
That’s just me anyway. I can be a bit annoying when it comes to what I know is right 🙂
 
yessisan said:
They’re probably inviting me so he feels my “support”. I am completely against it, but I cannot tell him I’m against his religion, I wouldn’t want him to tell me he’s against mine.
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But you are against his religion.

You are against every false teaching it teaches.

There is nothing wrong with telling someone you are against their religion. I don’t mind people telling me they are against mine.

As long as it is not done in a nasty manner.
 
kellie said:
But you are against his religion.

You are against every false teaching it teaches.

There is nothing wrong with telling someone you are against their religion. I don’t mind people telling me they are against mine.
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The Catholic Faith is the Truth. Don’t worry about the JW’s because their religion is not the Truth.
 
Prayer is your best hope but it is not your only hope. You also have truth and reason on your side. Use them. They are powerful weapons.
 
Yessian:

It is not uncommon for disfellowshipped JWs to get reinstated so that they can associate with their JW family and then become inactive. It could be that this is what your husband is doing. I have seen this happen hundreds of times.

I will be praying for your husband’s return to the Catholic Church.

Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
 
I will keep your husband in my prayers.

Have you read Beginning Apologetics 2: How to Answer Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons by any chance? It is sold on Amazon and is by Frank Chacon and Jim Burnham. It is a Catholic apologetics series and I have found it very useful. I haven`t read this particular book yet, but have found their other ones very beneficial. It helped me learn my own faith better, and be able to explain it to others. It might help your husband.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
Maria1212 said:
I will keep your husband in my prayers.

Have you read Beginning Apologetics 2: How to Answer Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons by any chance? It is sold on Amazon and is by Frank Chacon and Jim Burnham. It is a Catholic apologetics series and I have found it very useful. I haven`t read this particular book yet, but have found their other ones very beneficial. It helped me learn my own faith better, and be able to explain it to others. It might help your husband.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
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Thanks Maria, but no, I have not read it yet. I have read different ones, and actually, the one you mention is on my wish list in amazon, I’m just hesitating to buy it because I don’t want to offend DH, I did though, buy one by Raymond Franz, and ex-JW who was part of the 144,000 and of the governing body, the book is called “Crisis of Conscience”. DH wasn’t too happy about me having this book, but he can’t do anything about it.
 
chimera said:
" Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??"
Thomas was impulsive and when Lazarus died, said "Let’s go that we also may die"John11.16. and “Unless I see the nail marks I won’t believe”. Then “My Lord and God”. Jesus then reproved him John 20.24-9. So Thomas’ words were his own erratic expression, not words from Jesus.
If driving the car is a problem, could you tell the elders and someone else can likely drive.
chimera
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Well, Jesus didn’t reprimand him for saying this, so how do you explain this?

Anyway, I wanted to say welcome to CAF. Not many JWs stay long enough to speak to us. DH never believes me when I tell him JWs come here and leave posts, he says no true JW does that. I can show him, but he doesn’t want to take part on reading anything from a Catholic site.

Why is it that JWs never stick around? I’m just glad you have, even though you try and p(name removed by moderator)oint the bad things about a religion, when all religions have bad things.

All in all, welcome to the forums.
 
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