DH is being reinstated to JWism...

[yessisan]

But you are against his religion.

You are against every false teaching it teaches.

There is nothing wrong with telling someone you are against their religion. I don’t mind people telling me they are against mine.

As long as it is not done in a nasty manner.

He knows I’m against it, he knows I think they are brainwashed, but now I try to keep quiet unless I hear something against my religion, which most of the time he keeps to himself.

The Catholic Faith is the Truth. Don’t worry about the JW’s because their religion is not the Truth.

Prayer is your best hope but it is not your only hope. You also have truth and reason on your side. Use them. They are powerful weapons.

I just wish that the truth was easy to spread. Some people just won’t listen. DH does once in a while, but then turns his back on me and insults my religion. Once I explained the Trinity to him, he seemed to undestand it, but in response he said, “Well, we don’t worship statues” :banghead:

Hey, at least yesterday he commented on how cute my cross looked. I made a cross off the palm I got Sunday, and he said it was very nice and cute looking… He has the Catholic deep inside him, we just have to dig it up…

 

[DB_AND_ALI]

Chimera,

I don’t want to offend you because of your religion but the experience I have had for the last year and half of having gone to meetings is that it wasn’t a very pleasant one. My husband was Catholic, now he is a disfellowshipped JW who sins in many ways and doesn’t tell the elders and is being reinstated.

I see how many of these JWs here sin like crazy (and I am not saying they are the only ones who sin) and get away with it. They lie so they don’t get DF’d or censored or shunned. I’m sorry to say but I have not had a good experience with your religion.

There sure is a lot of love flowing around in the congregations, but a lot of it is not sincere (at least to my point of view). To you, a fallen away JW is an apostate; to me it is the same with a fallen away Catholic. He was Catholic, to the CC he is still Catholic.

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The reason why I am sad is that I believe JWs are brainwashed. They are lied to every single day and forced to preach to others and report those hours and claim that Jesus is not God. I’m sorry to say, but you use a bible that was compiled by the CC and edited by the JWs just so that their beliefs are backed by this bible. Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??

Once you find the answer to that one, come back to me, please. No JW has been able to answer this passage to me. They all tell me they’ll get back to me.

Oh, and as I said before, I attended these meetings with DH for over a year and a half, but was never convinced, maybe for a while I was fooled but always have considered myself Catholic, and now that I am married through the CC, I am even a better Catholic than I was ever before (even before doing my confirmation). Anywho… to add to my JW experience, the pioneer who came to see me every week lied to me many, many times, and I know so because I have checked with many other JWs and have told me many of those things she teaches aren’t true! All I’ve seen there are lies, deceptions, and more lies, one after the other.

This is why I am worried my husband is a JW.

Just my :twocents: .

Your opinion is worth a great deal on this forum… It must be very difficult being married to somebody who isn’t even allowed to read material you may present to them…i think it’s a little disconcerting the way the jw’s try and convince others to join the cult. I recently read : HELD BY THE WATCHTOWER , SET FREE BY CHRIST…BY SUSAN THORNE and i was shocked by the entire process of recruitment and retention of the poor members. Their entire system of disfellowship is based on FEAR , not love…if you remember that a disfellowshipped member is rejected by ALL the other congregants AND the rejected person is bluntly told that they are doomed to hell forever. If that isn’t a CULT then i don’t know what is !!!
Christians must pray for the people who want to ‘escape’ , that they may find a way out , just like SUSAN THORNE did.

 

[yessisan]

Your opinion is worth a great deal on this forum… It must be very difficult being married to somebody who isn’t even allowed to read material you may present to them…

Thanks! You know, it is difficult to be married to him sometimes. Sometimes I look at him and feel so sad. [Moderator deleted comments] And the way the JWs are kept so ignorant of the world and the truth is just inexplicable. How can they not even allow them to read materials from another religion?

I once asked DH how tthey actually learn to deal with other religious people while preaching, he said there are books published by the falsetower so they inform themselves… see how ignorant the falstower keeps them? They barely even read magazines that have to do with anything of the world or it’s dicoveries. My mom, just to help me a bit in this matter, bought DH a 2 yr subcription to the magazine Discover. He actually does read it…

i think it’s a little disconcerting the way the jw’s try and convince others to join the cult. I recently read : HELD BY THE WATCHTOWER , SET FREE BY CHRIST…BY SUSAN THORNE and i was shocked by the entire process of recruitment and retention of the poor members. Their entire system of disfellowship is based on FEAR , not love…if you remember that a disfellowshipped member is rejected by ALL the other congregants AND the rejected person is bluntly told that they are doomed to hell forever. If that isn’t a CULT then i don’t know what is !!!
Christians must pray for the people who want to ‘escape’ , that they may find a way out , just like SUSAN THORNE did.

I just hope DH will be a Susan Thorne one day… so, where did you get that book? Was it good? I wonder if it’s available in Spanish for DH to read. The one from Ray Franz that I bought is in Spanish, but DH hasn’t even touched it.

 

[DB_AND_ALI]

Thanks! You know, it is difficult to be married to him sometimes. Sometimes I look at him and feel so sad. [Moderator deleted comments] And the way the JWs are kept so ignorant of the world and the truth is just inexplicable. How can they not even allow them to read materials from another religion?

I once asked DH how tthey actually learn to deal with other religious people while preaching, he said there are books published by the falsetower so they inform themselves… see how ignorant the falstower keeps them? They barely even read magazines that have to do with anything of the world or it’s dicoveries. My mom, just to help me a bit in this matter, bought DH a 2 yr subcription to the magazine Discover. He actually does read it…

I just hope DH will be a Susan Thorne one day… so, where did you get that book? Was it good? I wonder if it’s available in Spanish for DH to read. The one from Ray Franz that I bought is in Spanish, but DH hasn’t even touched it.

I can try and get you some info. on the author tomorrow morning…BUT even if i do will DH read this ‘apostate’ material !!! This whole cult thing is so bizarre to understand…i say this as one of the managers at my work is a jw , a really bright chap , yet he is a member of the cult of jw’s…when i read of the incredulous things the jw’s actually believe in , i couldn’t help but think of my intelligent boss who is one of their members…mind boggling !!!
Strengh to you…and prayers !

 

[catsrus]

originally posted by yessarian
I did though, buy one by Raymond Franz, and ex-JW who was part of the 144,000 and of the governing body, the book is called “Crisis of Conscience”. DH wasn’t too happy about me having this book, but he can’t do anything about it.

Oh, I’ll bet he wasn’t happy! Did you see the wt magazine with the drawing on the front of the jw throwing away that book?

originally posted by yessarian
They barely even read magazines that have to do with anything of the world or it’s dicoveries.

One (just one!) of the incidences that drove me away from them;
I have been an avid reader all my life. A little bit of everything. During a “book study” once, the person with whom I was “studying” brought along an “elder”. He took one look at my ceiling to floor, wall to wall bookshelves and said, “those all have to go.” (!!!)

 

[yessisan]

Oh, I’ll bet he wasn’t happy! Did you see the wt magazine with the drawing on the front of the jw throwing away that book?

One (just one!) of the incidences that drove me away from them;
I have been an avid reader all my life. A little bit of everything. During a “book study” once, the person with whom I was “studying” brought along an “elder”. He took one look at my ceiling to floor, wall to wall bookshelves and said, “those all have to go.” (!!!)

He said that? It’s sad how ignorant they are.
Glad you are out of there, doesn’t matter the reason, the good thing is that you are not a JW and now you are a happy Catholic!

I can try and get you some info. on the author tomorrow morning…BUT even if i do will DH read this ‘apostate’ material !!! This whole cult thing is so bizarre to understand…i say this as one of the managers at my work is a jw , a really bright chap , yet he is a member of the cult of jw’s…when i read of the incredulous things the jw’s actually believe in , i couldn’t help but think of my intelligent boss who is one of their members…mind boggling !!!
Strengh to you…and prayers !

I can’t believe DH is a JW, he’s so intelligent and ambitious (except for the fact that he is a JW) (in a good way)

 

[catsrus]

not a JW and now you are a happy Catholic!

Yes!! (air hand pump!!)
God knew my searching heart. When I stopped trying to figure it all out for myself and opened my heart to Him, he led me straight into the One Holy Catholic Church.
And from a background of, not just jwism, but methodists, lutherans, unitarians, and what have you.

 

[chimera]

From Yessisan:
" Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??"
me: "Thomas was impulsive and when Lazarus died, said “Let’s go that we also may die"John11.16. and “Unless I see the nail marks I won’t believe”. Then “My Lord and God”. Jesus then reproved him John 20.24-9. So Thomas’ words were his own erratic expression, not words from Jesus”.

Yessisan:“Well, Jesus didn’t reprimand him for saying this, so how do you explain this”.
Jesus said Thomas saw and believed, but blessed are they who have not seen yet believe. Thomas was not included in the blessed group on that point, which is a reproof, is it not? It indicates that Thomas was less than reliable as a source of accurate faith.
chimera

 

[Rawb]

Jesus said Thomas saw and believed, but blessed are they who have not seen yet believe. Thomas was not included in the blessed group on that point, which is a reproof, is it not? It indicates that Thomas was less than reliable as a source of accurate faith.

Yes, it is a reproof. A reproof that Thomas needed to see to believe. Jesus does not tell him he’s wrong for calling him his God. Just because Thomas said it doesn’t mean it’s any less accurate, because he said it in the Bible. That sentence is just as inspired, and as true, as every other sentence.

Doesn’t it hurt to do backbends like that to make JW theology work?

Yessian, I’ll pray for your husband at the Communal Penance Service tonight.

 

[Eileen_T]

From Yessisan:
" Just do me a favor, look at your NWT version and check John 20:28. Why would Thomas say to Jesus “my Lord and my God” if he is not in fact God??"
me: "Thomas was impulsive and when Lazarus died, said “Let’s go that we also may die"John11.16. and “Unless I see the nail marks I won’t believe”. Then “My Lord and God”. Jesus then reproved him John 20.24-9. So Thomas’ words were his own erratic expression, not words from Jesus”.

Yessisan:“Well, Jesus didn’t reprimand him for saying this, so how do you explain this”.
Jesus said Thomas saw and believed, but blessed are they who have not seen yet believe. Thomas was not included in the blessed group on that point, which is a reproof, is it not? It indicates that Thomas was less than reliable as a source of accurate faith.
chimera

No, it refers to future generations who were not able to physically see Jesus as Thomas did. Jesus accepted the worship of Thomas.

Start another thread to discuss this, it is not appropriate here.

 

[Eileen_T]

Yessian, I have posted this on another couple of threads…

Go here ewtn.com/tv/prime_wednesday.asp and listen to ETN Live in the “Archived Video in RealVideo” section. I just listened to Fr Mitch Pacwa. After the topic of the Russian Orthodox orchestral concert that will be performed at the Vatican this weekend, he talks to a priest about Divine Mercy Sunday. (About 8 minutes in)

The point is that, having fulfilled the Divine Mercy requirements, the floodgates of God are open on the Feast Day and miracles happen. The priest talked about praying all that Sunday one year for his father’s return to the Sacraments. He had been away for a very long time. That evening his mother phoned and told him his father had gone to Confession that day.

Guess what I am going to spend Divine Mercy Sunday doing? I have so many family members to pray for.

Try if for your husband.

 

[chimera]

This discussion on Thomas was started by the person who began the topic, so it his her thread.
The apostles’ words were not always correct. Mark 8.33.- Jesus rebuked Peter saying “Get behind me,Satan” for saying things not from God but from men. Matt. 27.74.- Peter said he knew not Jesus. Then a cock crowed and he remembered the words of Jesus. There are numerous examples where before Pentecost and the holy spirit, the men who were new to Christianity (which had not in fact started before Christ’s death) made errors. They were willing to learn from Christ.
chimera

 

[seremina]

I will pray for your DH and do rosaries for him, and pray for you and do rosaries for you too.

And remember something special. When Jesus said that we couldn’t have -eternal life- without eating His body and His blood, do you really think a man would say that? Of course not. God would.

Keep us updated and God bless.

 

[Maria1212]

Thanks Maria, but no, I have not read it yet. I have read different ones, and actually, the one you mention is on my wish list in amazon, I’m just hesitating to buy it because I don’t want to offend DH, I did though, buy one by Raymond Franz, and ex-JW who was part of the 144,000 and of the governing body, the book is called “Crisis of Conscience”. DH wasn’t too happy about me having this book, but he can’t do anything about it.

I totally understand not wanting to offend your husband because that could alientate him further. You could consider explaining to him that you want him to respond to the “claims” suggested in the book, and say that you are interested in understanding why what the Catholics believe is incorrect. If that makes sense. Alternatively, you could have the book sent to a friend`s house and read it there.

But the best thing we can do in situations like this is pray. I prayed for him last night as I said the rosary and will do the same tonight.

Journeys like this can often be long. But we will all support you with prayer for the long haul!!

Sincerely,

Maria

 

[aimee]

He said that? It’s sad how ignorant they are.
Glad you are out of there, doesn’t matter the reason, the good thing is that you are not a JW and now you are a happy Catholic!

I can’t believe DH is a JW, he’s so intelligent and ambitious (except for the fact that he is a JW) (in a good way)

Please consider this :Inside the Watchtower
Core Beliefs of the Jehovah’s Witnesses Exposed, by Mary Kochan. saintjoe.com/

The author is a former JW and her tapes are especially good.

saintjoe.com/more-info.php?product=641&Title=Inside-the-Watchtower

 

[Jaypeeto4]

Yessisian,
I am so sorry to hear about your husband, I too am
a former Jehovah’s Witness.
May I suggest something?
Please pray a nine-day novena to Saint Philomena
for the conversion of your husband back to his Catholic Faith.
She is a very powerful Saint, and one of her specialties is
conversions. For many reasons, too many to go into here,
I really believe that Saint Philomena’s prayers had something to do with my own conversion to Catholicism.
God bless you,
Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)

 

[SerenaHC]

Yessian:

It is not uncommon for disfellowshipped JWs to get reinstated so that they can associate with their JW family and then become inactive. It could be that this is what your husband is doing. I have seen this happen hundreds of times.

Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com

Hello.

I’m new here and was invited by Jeff to post. I’m one of those JWs he knows who became reinstated to the JWs after being disfellowshipped for 10 years. I thought it was “silly” to allow religion to separate me from my family of origin. However, I found that the beliefs of the JWs, compared to those of Christianity, were so hard to swallow that I could not stay and I became inactive. Then I joined the Catholic Church. I pray your husband won’t be able to stomach the JW teachings for long either.

 

[yessisan]

I want to thank everyone for your support and prayers, however, today my heart is broken, my hopes are crushed and shuttered. DH was reinstated last night :crying: . My prayers have done nothing, I don’t know what else to do. I’ve been wanting to cry but I was with him. He noticed I didn’t like the news at all, but I told him I was happy for him, but not for me. Actually, I am NOT happy. It’s the worst thing that could’ve happened to me. He’s back in that cult. You should’ve seen his face, I’ve never seen him so happy, not even on our wedding day. He couldn’t stop smiling. I mentioned to him I had never seen him this happy and he asked why I said that. I didn’t want it to turn into an argument so I said that’s all I meant, I had never seen him this happy.

I don’t think my prayers are doing anything. I think this was my fault for having gone with him to all those meetings. When I stopped going he started missing so many of them. If I had not gone, he probably wouldn’t have been reinstated.

Right now I’m mad, I’m angry, disappointed, heart broken, I want to cry but I can’t (I’m at work). These are the worst news I’ve gotten ever since my uncle passed 3 yrs ago. :crying:

 

[minkymurph]

As someone said on an earlier thread, there is nothing you can actually do if he is reinstated and wants to be but there may be a bright side. Maybe it’s a good thing he is being reinstated. Lots of JW’s who are DF’d want back because of the reasons jschwehm mentions above but when they go back, some of them often wonder why. When they go back, they realise that all the reasons why they did not want to be there are perfectly justified. Things are no different and they end up even more disillusioned than they were in the first place. This may be no bad thing as it can sometimes lead them to finally break away. However, if this turns out to be the case, it will almost certainly be a painful experience. You will be there to pick him up and show him what Christianity is. He will hopefully see what it is not.

 

[yessisan]

As someone said on an earlier thread, there is nothing you can actually do if he is reinstated and wants to be but there may be a bright side. Maybe it’s a good thing he is being reinstated. Lots of JW’s who are DF’d want back because of the reasons jschwehm mentions above but when they go back, some of them often wonder why. When they go back, they realise that all the reasons why they did not want to be there are perfectly justified. Things are no different and they end up even more disillusioned than they were in the first place. This may be no bad thing as it can sometimes lead them to finally break away. However, if this turns out to be the case, it will almost certainly be a painful experience. You will be there to pick him up and show him what Christianity is. He will hopefully see what it is not.

The thing is that his best friends and his sister, nephew and niece didn’t shun him, and the congregation knew that. He only has a JW sister close by, the other one lives 300+ miles away. His parents and a sister are Catholic (after his mom being a JW for a long time), and another sister says she wants to be Catholic but already has desecrated the Eucharist… Anyway, the reason why he wanted to be back is because he really believes this to be the truh, and wants to save people and teach them what the bible “really says”… That is why I have no hope any more.